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joe pop

This is a tough topic because I could honestly see the top 4 (JJJ, Duane, Deonte, and Jameel) having the biggest impact next year.  Deonte is a beast who I think could have an Alando Tucker type career.  Duane is a great shooter and is probably better than Derrick Wilson and could start by midseason.  Jameel is the oldest and most experienced and we've seen Buzz's success with JUCO players, however we have a lot of depth up front.  JuJuan is the highest rated recruit and plays a huge position of need for MU.

Ill go with Duane, in hopes that he surpasses Derrick and becomes the starting PG.  If he can limit his turnovers he could be a really good player even as a freshman.  Great shooter, great penetrator, proven winner.   

tower912

Whichever one emerges as a starting PG has the greatest impact. 
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willie warrior

De. Wilson has been and will be a steady role player for the Warriors. I like him in that role, but Buzz needs to give the keys to Du. Wilson from day 1 to let him develop. He will likely have greatest impact, but I believe that Triple J, Burton and McKay will also have big moments. It looks like we could have a newer version of the 3 Amigos--maybe the 4 Musketeers.
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WarriorInNYC

Out of these 4, I don't think Deonte has a chance to have the biggest impact next year.  Maybe down the road he will, but with Jamil in front of him, I don't see him making as big an impact next year.

For me it really is a toss up between Duane, JJJ, and Jameel and I think a lot of it also has to do with how Derrick and Todd develop and improve over the summer.  We all know Buzz isn't a huge fan of giving freshman big minutes.  If Derrick and Todd really show they can handle their positions well, then you will see Duane and JJJ have more limited roles.

I honestly think it will be Duane, have my doubts about how well Derrick can develop his offensive game, but I think it could be between the three of them.

Also, Duane's senior year mixtape was recently released.  Love the ending to it. "To be continued".....with a certain poster in the background.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9TxMYxKiEI

Golden Avalanche

Du. Wilson will be a fucking star in college basketball.

Lennys Tap

Quote from: willie warrior on May 09, 2013, 08:27:25 AM
De. Wilson has been and will be a steady role player for the Warriors. I like him in that role, but Buzz needs to give the keys to Du. Wilson from day 1 to let him develop.

When Dominic James arrived and "was given the keys from day 1" he had an RSCI in the 30s and was physically mature. Even more importantly, MU had nobody else as an alternative. Duane's RSCI is in the high 50s and he comes in behind a solid guy (Buzz said he deserved to start last year) who has two years experience. He will most definitely NOT be "given the keys". I hope he'll prove too good to keep on the bench, but we're not desperate like we were in 2005.

MU72491

Duane Wilson.  Buzz will make him a great player

joe pop

Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 09, 2013, 09:14:02 AM
When Dominic James arrived and "was given the keys from day 1" he had an RSCI in the 30s and was physically mature. Even more importantly, MU had nobody else as an alternative. Duane's RSCI is in the high 50s and he comes in behind a solid guy (Buzz said he deserved to start last year) who has two years experience. He will most definitely NOT be "given the keys". I hope he'll prove too good to keep on the bench, but we're not desperate like we were in 2005.

joe pop

Starting Derrick Wilson will just be a waste of time.  We need a playmaker running the point, not a swing the ball every time he gets it PG who plays pretty good D.

netty24

Next year, Jameel will have the biggest impact. He will bring activity and athleticism to the 4/5 spot and will compete from day one. Love his ability to get off the floor quickly and seems to be developing a nice little mid-range game. Best of all, he has that JUCO chip on his shoulder and hopefully Buzz can continue his great streak of success with JUCOs going with Mckay.

Over their careers, I would say the biggest impact recruit will either be Duane or JJJ. Both are explosive scorers and should compete for playing time immediately, but I just think that Jameel's game is more polished as of right now, as he has played against better competition, and therefore Duane and JJJ's impacts will be more strongly felt in two or three years. They have the potential to be incredible players, though. I can't wait to watch them progress, its going to be awesome.  

Dr. Blackheart

The new recruits give MU some speed and quickness lacking this year. Jameel's rebounding and his ability to run the floor, along with DuWilson's ability to push it, will add further dimensions. Jameel inside is a force to be reckoned with that will free the double downs on Sheesh.  J3's shooting and ability to dribble drive with his height and athleticism will help offset the loss of Vander.  Burton seems to play better against higher competition and may have the most ready BE body of the frosh.

But, MU loses a lot of experience and experience playing together.  In the end, defense and depth will determine minutes, so I say McKay and JJJ have the biggest newbe impact.  DuWilson needs to improve his on-ball defense to see more minutes, IMO.

netty24

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Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on May 09, 2013, 09:41:56 AM
The new recruits give MU some speed and quickness lacking this year. Jameel's rebounding and his ability to run the floor, along with DuWilson's ability to push it, will add further dimensions. Jameel inside is a force to be reckoned with that will free the double downs on Sheesh.  J3's shooting and ability to dribble drive with his height and athleticism will help offset the loss of Vander.  Burton seems to play better against higher competition and may have the most ready BE body of the frosh.

But, MU loses a lot of experience and experience playing together.  In the end, defense and depth will determine minutes, so I say McKay and JJJ have the biggest newbe impact.  DuWilson needs to improve his on-ball defense to see more minutes, IMO.

I agree with your last point there. I attended the Dominican-Aquinas game and Koenig quite easily beat Duane on dribble drives three or four times. I couldn't tell if Duane was just playing lazy defense or if we just getting blown away, but, either way, it wasn't a great sign. However, he seems to get his fair share of steals, so I definitely believe he can develop into a great defender. The best aspect of the steals he gets is that it allows him to run in the open floor, something he is incredibly skilled at. He has the quickness, length, and vertical to be able to bother anyone he plays against, it just a matter of learning how to play more disciplined, consistent defense.  

Sunbelt15

Quote from: joe pop on May 09, 2013, 09:25:08 AM
Starting Derrick Wilson will just be a waste of time.  We need a playmaker running the point, not a swing the ball every time he gets it PG who plays pretty good D.

+1. Duane will be our PTPer!

flash

Given Buzz'z history with freshman, I have a hard time believing that any of these guys will make a huge impact in their first year.  I would love to see Duane Wilson be given the starting point guard spot, but I don't see that happening.  Buzz loves Derrick Wilson and will likely stick with him for the long haul. 

Marqevans

Great topic. I just hope Steve Taylor gets a lot more time.

GGGG

Quote from: flash on May 09, 2013, 03:03:37 PM
Given Buzz'z history with freshman, I have a hard time believing that any of these guys will make a huge impact in their first year.  I would love to see Duane Wilson be given the starting point guard spot, but I don't see that happening.  Buzz loves Derrick Wilson and will likely stick with him for the long haul. 


You make it sound like he's doing so out of loyalty and not because he believes him to be the best option.  Whomever ever starts, it will be because Buzz believes him to be the best player at that point.

JakeBarnes

Quote from: Terror Skink on May 09, 2013, 04:01:55 PM

You make it sound like he's doing so out of loyalty and not because he believes him to be the best option.  Whomever ever starts, it will be because Buzz believes him to be the best player at that point.

Unless you are Derrick Wilson, who "should be the starter."
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nyg

McKay will have the biggest impact of all the recruits.

Derrick Wilson will double his scoring average from 1.1 ppg to 2.2 ppg and increase his FG percentage from 27% to 30%.  Then people on this board will defend him because he plays good defense and it is not his role to score.  Oh boy......  Buzz will work this out and find out real soon when the new guys hit the floor against each other in October. 

onepost

Agree with many of you who say that McKay will contribute the most next year, but over the course of their MU careers, Duane and JJJ will contribute the most.

But I'll give our fifth recruit, John Dawson, some love, simply cause no one ever talks about him. If that's not a chip-on-your-shoulder then I don't know what is. Also, he brought one of the best quotes to MUScoop: "I work out twice a day, six days a week. And on Sunday I go to church."

Silkk the Shaka

Quote from: joe pop on May 09, 2013, 09:25:08 AM
Starting Derrick Wilson will just be a waste of time.  We need a playmaker running the point, not a swing the ball every time he gets it PG who plays pretty good D.

Duane Wilson is already one of my favorite MU players ever and he hasn't even put on a uni yet.  He has gifted athletic ability, size for the position, is seriously skilled, and a dedicated hard worker.  I'll be shocked if he doesn't thrive under Buzz.  However, your "starting" logic is flawed.  What if Derrick Wilson improves?  What if starting really is a nod to the hardest worker and best leader in practice, even if it's a token gesture?  What if Buzz likes starting defense and bringing offense off the bench (the Ox/Otule dynamic)?  What if Duane proves to be somewhat foul prone and Buzz wants him on the floor at crunch time (EWill/Crowder & Anderson/JWil)?  What if Buzz likes starting the experienced Derrick but Duane plays 28 mpg off the bench?  What if Buzz wants to use starting as a carrot/goal to keep Duane hungry?  People get so hung up on who "starts."  We went 10 deep this year.  If you can play, you'll play, and your minutes don't necessarily correlate directly to whether or not you start with Buzz.

MU82

Quote from: Jajuannaman on May 09, 2013, 09:56:44 PM
Duane Wilson is already one of my favorite MU players ever and he hasn't even put on a uni yet.  He has gifted athletic ability, size for the position, is seriously skilled, and a dedicated hard worker.  I'll be shocked if he doesn't thrive under Buzz.  However, your "starting" logic is flawed.  What if Derrick Wilson improves?  What if starting really is a nod to the hardest worker and best leader in practice, even if it's a token gesture?  What if Buzz likes starting defense and bringing offense off the bench (the Ox/Otule dynamic)?  What if Duane proves to be somewhat foul prone and Buzz wants him on the floor at crunch time (EWill/Crowder & Anderson/JWil)?  What if Buzz likes starting the experienced Derrick but Duane plays 28 mpg off the bench?  What if Buzz wants to use starting as a carrot/goal to keep Duane hungry?  People get so hung up on who "starts."  We went 10 deep this year.  If you can play, you'll play, and your minutes don't necessarily correlate directly to whether or not you start with Buzz.

All of this is very true. I got tired of the weekly post here wondering why Gardner wasn't starting, as if it would have mattered.

As for which of the four makes the biggest impact, I hope its Duane because he is the stud everybody wants him to be at our biggest position of need and the most important position on the floor. I'm thinking it will be whichever player can make a few 3s in a game, be it either Duane or JJJ. I mean, when everybody was in love with Mayo, it was when he was burying treys. When he went as cold as fridge in Antarctica, he was useless.
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PJDunn

Derrick will run the show next year, so you might as well remove Duane from the list.  IMO he will also reside atop the STOG tally by years end.  Book it.

willie warrior

Quote from: PJDunn on May 10, 2013, 12:02:54 AM
Derrick will run the show next year, so you might as well remove Duane from the list.  IMO he will also reside atop the STOG tally by years end.  Book it.
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avid1010

Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 09, 2013, 09:14:02 AM
(Buzz said he deserved to start last year)
imho, this was said to motivate junior, and blown way out of proportion by many fans....and he can't finish games until he's able to hit his ft's.  in between horns, he's a solid role player. 

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