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Sources: Blue considering NBA draft
      


Written by: Mark Strotman
            


Junior shooting guard Vander Blue is contemplating forgoing his senior year to enter the 2013 NBA draft, multiple sources told PaintTouches.com. Blue has not made a definitive decision, but he could announce his choice later this week. Should he declare, ... Continue reading →


            

http://painttouches.com/2013/04/09/sources-blue-considering-nba-draft/
      

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Here we go.

Another interesting week for Marquette basketball and another week of angst in Scoop City ...
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dwaderoy2004

If he gets word that he would be a first round pick, he should go.  So risky though since the NCAA forces you to make a final decision by April 16, before any workouts with teams can be done.  Let the hand-wringing begin.

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GGGG

I won't be angst ridden about this.  If he goes, I wish him the best of luck.

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4th and State

Quote from: dwaderoy2004 on April 09, 2013, 10:07:50 AM
If he gets word that he would be a first round pick, he should go.  So risky though since the NCAA forces you to make a final decision by April 16, before any workouts with teams can be done.  Let the hand-wringing begin.

I agree there's a ton of risk for Blue here.  He should come back, get his degree, win a NC and he'll still be a year younger than most of the guys in his draft class.  I find it hard to believe that his stock will go down at all if he comes back next year.

jesmu84

I, for one, am very surprised Blue would be "Buzz-cut"

Honestly, his stock is at an all-time high after his NCAA performance. Even coming back next season only risks decreasing that stock value. If he's hearing he's a guaranteed pick, especially first round, go forth, young man.

MerrittsMustache

Quote from: 4th and State on April 09, 2013, 10:14:26 AM
I agree there's a ton of risk for Blue here.  He should come back, get his degree, win a NC and he'll still be a year younger than most of the guys in his draft class.  I find it hard to believe that his stock will go down at all if he comes back next year.

If he struggles shooting or gets injured or MU has a down year or some part of his game gets "exposed," his stock could easily drop. He wasn't even on the draft boards a month ago and now he's viewed as a potential late 1st Rounder. With more and more scouts watching closely, there are more and more chances that teams pick apart his game.

I'd love to see him back at MU next season and I really do think he needs another year to continue to develop his game. That said, strike while the iron's hot. If he goes, I'd have no problem with that and I'd wish him the best.

jesmu84

Quote from: MerrittsMustache on April 09, 2013, 10:23:29 AM
If he struggles shooting or gets injured or MU has a down year or some part of his game gets "exposed," his stock could easily drop. He wasn't even on the draft boards a month ago and now he's viewed as a potential late 1st Rounder. With more and more scouts watching closely, there are more and more chances that teams pick apart his game.

I'd love to see him back at MU next season and I really do think he needs another year to continue to develop his game. That said, strike while the iron's hot. If he goes, I'd have no problem with than and I'd wish him the best.


Exactly. We all saw what happened with Dom James.

dwaderoy2004

Quote from: jesmu84 on April 09, 2013, 10:20:42 AM

Honestly, his stock is at an all-time high after his NCAA performance. Even coming back next season only risks decreasing that stock value. If he's hearing he's a guaranteed pick, especially first round, go forth, young man.

While I would agree that his stock is currently at an all time high, that all time high status is currently fringe first rounder.  He could certainly come back and hit a new all time high next year of guaranteed first rounder.  I guess I just disagree that he could only hurt his draft stock by coming back.  I concur that if he's hearing definitively that he will be drafted, he should strongly consider declaring.  

Rockmic87

Quote from: jesmu84 on April 09, 2013, 10:24:21 AM
Exactly. We all saw what happened with Dom James.


James would have gone undrafted had he gone out his sophomore or Junior year.

Does Blue still have the option of testing the waters and doing workouts like James did after his sophomore season and McNeal did after his Junior season?

dwaderoy2004

Quote from: MerrittsMustache on April 09, 2013, 10:23:29 AM
If...some part of his game gets "exposed," his stock could easily drop. He wasn't even on the draft boards a month ago and now he's viewed as a potential late 1st Rounder. With more and more scouts watching closely, there are more and more chances that teams pick apart his game.

I guess I don't agree with this sentiment.  You don't think that these scouts are going to watch every piece of game tape from this past year if they are considering drafting him?  Or attempt to "expose" him if they bring him in for a workout?  Teams are not just going to blindly draft him based on one tournament run without doign their due diligence.  If he's going to be exposed, he will be exposed through the draft evaluation process by good scouting.  This is what happened to James when he declared without an agent after his sophomore year...he got exposed in workouts.

Tugg Speedman

But if he leaves and is not drafted in the first round, he gets no guaranteed money and has no degree, will have to pay to finish school.

Yes, go if you are going to get drafted in then first round.  Big downside if you go and are not drafted in the first round.

Tough decision.

MUfan12

Just hope he's getting good advice. And not from Uncle Tim...

Dawson Rental

As the PT article points out,
"Ford also bumped Blue from the 90s of his top-100 list to No. 75..."

Hopefully, Vander takes the next week to figure out that the draft has 60 selections.
You actually have a degree from Marquette?

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Quote from: dwaderoy2004 on April 09, 2013, 10:07:50 AM
If he gets word that he would be a first round pick, he should go.  So risky though since the NCAA forces you to make a final decision by April 16, before any workouts with teams can be done.  Let the hand-wringing begin.

Yet another example of how college athletics screws over the "student-athletes". Coaches are free to shop themselves around to other schools to earn their highest dollar, but players have to wander out into the wilderness. This rule really can hurt players (see Jereme Richmond). The decision should be made between a coach and the player: if the coach is willing to keep a scholly open, the player should be able to go right up until the minute the draft begins.
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Ellenson Guerrero

Quote from: Rockmic87 on April 09, 2013, 10:29:05 AM

James would have gone undrafted had he gone out his sophomore or Junior year.

Does Blue still have the option of testing the waters and doing workouts like James did after his sophomore season and McNeal did after his Junior season?

Wasn't James a fringe first round pick after his freshman season?
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bilsu

I can live with this either way. He would most likely be the best player on MU's team next year, if he stayed. However, if he leaves that frees up 30 minutes a game for the newcomers, who I will be excited to see getting more playing time.

dwaderoy2004

Quote from: AWegrzyn17 on April 09, 2013, 10:34:45 AM
Wasn't James a fringe first round pick after his freshman season?

Not really.  He was still a short PG that couldn't shoot, just like he was when he declared after his sophomore year.

Tugg Speedman

Quote from: AWegrzyn17 on April 09, 2013, 10:33:25 AM
Yet another example of how college athletics screws over the "student-athletes". Coaches are free to shop themselves around to other schools to earn their highest dollar, but players have to wander out into the wilderness. This rule really can hurt players (see Jereme Richmond). The decision should be made between a coach and the player: if the coach is willing to keep a scholly open, the player should be able to go right up until the minute the draft begins.

+1

He should be able to head back to school unless he signs a contract.  So can get drafted (or not), workout with the team, get invited as a free-agent to camp, and still go back as long as you do not sign a pro-contract.


GGGG

Quote from: AWegrzyn17 on April 09, 2013, 10:33:25 AM
Yet another example of how college athletics screws over the "student-athletes". Coaches are free to shop themselves around to other schools to earn their highest dollar, but players have to wander out into the wilderness. This rule really can hurt players (see Jereme Richmond). The decision should be made between a coach and the player: if the coach is willing to keep a scholly open, the player should be able to go right up until the minute the draft begins.


Agree completely.  I have no idea why the NCAA does this, but allows its athletes to be drafted mid-career in sports like hockey and basketball.

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Quote from: Terror Skink on April 09, 2013, 10:38:54 AM

Agree completely.  I have no idea why the NCAA does this, but allows its athletes to be drafted mid-career in sports like hockey and basketball.

Did you mean baseball?
You actually have a degree from Marquette?

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No...and after reading many many psosts from people on this board that do...I have to say I'm MUCH better off, if this is the type of "intelligence" a degree from MU gets you. It sure is on full display I will say that.

Hards Alumni

Quote from: dwaderoy2004 on April 09, 2013, 10:36:56 AM
Not really.  He was still a short PG that couldn't shoot, just like he was when he declared after his sophomore year.

Totally wrong.  He would have been a first rounder had he declared.  Dom James is the perfect example of a kid who should have declared when his stock was high.  He didn't and he paid for it.

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