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Question about location

Started by wadesworld, March 17, 2013, 10:01:55 AM

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wadesworld

Are all first round locations locked in?  For example, is the 4 seed in the West region locked into San Jose for the first 2 rounds?  Or, since they try to "honor" locations for the top 4 seeds, could the 4 seed in the West be either in San Jose or Salt Lake City if it is a far western team, or else in maybe a Kansas City, MO if it is a Midwestern (Marquette) team?

Just looked at flights for San Jose, Austin, and Salt Lake City.  It ain't gonna be cheap if we're shipped out West.

GGGG

No, they try to give teams seeded 1 though 4 locations close to home.  However that can't always happen since there are more cities out west than there are western seeds.  Therefore a school or two is going to be shipped out west.  Since MU is a lower seed, that means it will likely be us.

wadesworld

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 17, 2013, 10:05:09 AM
No, they try to give teams seeded 1 though 4 locations close to home.  However that can't always happen since there are more cities out west than there are western seeds.  Therefore a school or two is going to be shipped out west.  Since MU is a lower seed, that means it will likely be us.

Makes sense.  I guess I'm still confused about whether the locations are locked in based on where you are.  Is the 1 seed in the Midwest, for example, playing in Louisville, regardless of whether that 1 seed is Louisville or Indiana?  And then say Louisville gets that spot, does Indiana then get placed in a set spot for the 1 seed in the East bracket?  Or does can the 1st 2 rounds be moved around (if the bottom 2 seed is somebody like Miami and are put in the West bracket, are they playing their first 2 rounds in San Jose/SLC as well, or could they play in the East for the first 2 rounds as a higher seed?)?

GGGG

No.  They used to be locked into the brackets, but now they can assign a team to go anywhere in the first two rounds.

For instance, they could make Indiana the number one seed in the west, but still have them play their first two rounds in Dayton. 

jsglow

The key to understanding this is to appreciate that there is no link whatsoever between the region one is assigned to and the location(s) that serve as the 2nd and 3rd round venues.

Let me try to do this by example.  Let's say Louisville is the overall #1 (#1 team of the 4 number one seeds).  That'll get them the Midwest Region (Indy).  For rounds 2 & 3 they will either go to Dayton or Lexington.  Now let's say Indiana is the last #1 seed and thus assigned to the last available region (East?) located in Washington DC.  Well, as a top line seed they'd be 4th in the pecking order in terms of 2/3 round assignments.  Again, likely Dayton or Lexington.  Notice that Dayton doesn't 'feed' any particular region.

Now let's go to the very end of the #4 seed line. (And for grins let's assume that's Marquette.)  So we get our own pod as every 2/3 site has exactly 2 of them (day bracket, evening bracket).  But as the last of the teams leading a group somewhere, we'd get last dibs.  With the dearth of teams naturally out west at either San Jose or Salt Lake City, expect that assignment.

Complicating that scenario is the committee's desire to keep conference foes or previous opponents away from each other too early in the tourney.  So none of this is an exact science.  Kind of funny how slipping to the #5 line might actually improve our first weekend location but we'll just have to wait and see.  Either way expect a #4/#5 match-up to get to the Sweet 16.   

79Warrior

Quote from: wadesworld on March 17, 2013, 10:01:55 AM
Are all first round locations locked in?  For example, is the 4 seed in the West region locked into San Jose for the first 2 rounds?  Or, since they try to "honor" locations for the top 4 seeds, could the 4 seed in the West be either in San Jose or Salt Lake City if it is a far western team, or else in maybe a Kansas City, MO if it is a Midwestern (Marquette) team?

Just looked at flights for San Jose, Austin, and Salt Lake City.  It ain't gonna be cheap if we're shipped out West.

Might be cheaper for you to fly to SFO if MU ends up San Jose.

wadesworld

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 17, 2013, 10:13:35 AM
No.  They used to be locked into the brackets, but now they can assign a team to go anywhere in the first two rounds.

For instance, they could make Indiana the number one seed in the west, but still have them play their first two rounds in Dayton. 

Quote from: jsglow on March 17, 2013, 10:45:22 AM
The key to understanding this is to appreciate that there is no link whatsoever between the region one is assigned to and the location(s) that serve as the 2nd and 3rd round venues.

Let me try to do this by example.  Let's say Louisville is the overall #1 (#1 team of the 4 number one seeds).  That'll get them the Midwest Region (Indy).  For rounds 2 & 3 they will either go to Dayton or Lexington.  Now let's say Indiana is the last #1 seed and thus assigned to the last available region (East?) located in Washington DC.  Well, as a top line seed they'd be 4th in the pecking order in terms of 2/3 round assignments.  Again, likely Dayton or Lexington.  Notice that Dayton doesn't 'feed' any particular region.

Now let's go to the very end of the #4 seed line. (And for grins let's assume that's Marquette.)  So we get our own pod as every 2/3 site has exactly 2 of them (day bracket, evening bracket).  But as the last of the teams leading a group somewhere, we'd get last dibs.  With the dearth of teams naturally out west at either San Jose or Salt Lake City, expect that assignment.

Complicating that scenario is the committee's desire to keep conference foes or previous opponents away from each other too early in the tourney.  So none of this is an exact science.  Kind of funny how slipping to the #5 line might actually improve our first weekend location but we'll just have to wait and see.  Either way expect a #4/#5 match-up to get to the Sweet 16.   

Alright makes sense, thanks for the clarification.

Quote from: 79Warrior on March 17, 2013, 11:34:18 AM
Might be cheaper for you to fly to SFO if MU ends up San Jose.

Yeah I looked into airports within 80 miles of San Jose.  It is cheaper to fly into SFO, but it still is far from cheap.

Jay Bee

Quote from: wadesworld on March 17, 2013, 11:49:54 AM
Alright makes sense, thanks for the clarification.

Yeah I looked into airports within 80 miles of San Jose.  It is cheaper to fly into SFO, but it still is far from cheap.

ZFB's sugar daddy is covering the travel expenses for those two wherever MU plays. Have you thought about dating an older man?

Last year for the S16 I used frequent flyer miles. My biggest gripe with the tourney would be (if I didn't stack major, major cash) that it's costly to book flights to some locations on such short notice.
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