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ChicosBailBonds

It was thought to be one of the toughest races in years.

Looks like Fischer got it over Koenig (UW), Wilson (MU), Thomas (ISU), Fuller (Nebraska) 

https://twitter.com/WisBCA/status/310196348681076736


keefe

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 08, 2013, 11:36:09 PM
It was thought to be one of the toughest races in years.

Looks like Fischer got it over Koenig (UW), Wilson (MU), Thomas (ISU), Fuller (Nebraska) 

https://twitter.com/WisBCA/status/310196348681076736



It didn't say exactly where he will be going next year. The clues are "one of the best teams in the country" then "Indiana." he must be going to Butler.


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4everwarriors

"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

Slim

They should have just given Looney his award for next year while they were at it. Next year's vote will likely be the most lopsided vote in history.

Tugg Speedman

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 08, 2013, 11:36:09 PM
It was thought to be one of the toughest races in years.

Looks like Fischer got it over Koenig (UW), Wilson (MU), Thomas (ISU), Fuller (Nebraska) 

https://twitter.com/WisBCA/status/310196348681076736

FWIW ...

ESPN recruiting rankings

Matt Thomas #51 (#12 SG) - ISU
Duane Wilson #55 (#12 PG) - MU
Luke Fischer #67 (#7 center) - IU
Koenig 3 stars (# 32 PG) - UW
Fuller 3 stars (#22 SF) - Neb

Not mentioned

Deonte Burton #49 (#11 SF) - MU



ChicosBailBonds

#5
I was surprised Koenig didn't get it for the very same reasons stated in the other thread...the provincialism of Wisconsin.  Fischer has played like a beast this year on the number 1 ranked team in Div I, but figured that didn't matter and they would give it to the UW-madison bound kid.

ChicosBailBonds

Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 09, 2013, 09:03:13 AM
FWIW ...

ESPN recruiting rankings

Matt Thomas #51 (#12 SG) - ISU
Duane Wilson #55 (#12 PG) - MU
Luke Fischer #67 (#7 center) - IU
Koenig 3 stars (# 32 PG) - UW
Fuller 3 stars (#22 SF) - Neb

Not mentioned

Deonte Burton #49 (#11 SF) - MU




Fischer is only a 3 star recruit in some services, 4 in others.   http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Luke-Fischer-124096

Something tells me he'll end up doing much better than that 3 star rating.

JakeBarnes

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 09, 2013, 09:18:51 AM
I was surprised Koenig didn't get it for the very seem reasons stated in the other thread...the provincialism of Wisconsin.  Fischer has played like a beast this year on the number 1 ranked team in Div I, but figured that didn't matter and they would give it to the UW-madison bound kid.

But some folks are leery of Koenig because he is too flashy for Bo's system. Probably explains the disparity.
Assume what I say should be in teal if it doesn't pass the smell test for you.

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Tugg Speedman

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 09, 2013, 09:21:07 AM
Fischer is only a 3 star recruit in some services, 4 in others.   http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Luke-Fischer-124096

Something tells me he'll end up doing much better than that 3 star rating.

Ok, here are the rivals rankings ....
Last updated on 12/27/12

Duane Wilson #56
Deonte Burton #57
Matt Thomas #58
Bronson Koenig #73
Luke Fischer #116
Fuller - Not in top 150



GGGG

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 09, 2013, 09:18:51 AM
I was surprised Koenig didn't get it for the very same reasons stated in the other thread...the provincialism of Wisconsin.  Fischer has played like a beast this year on the number 1 ranked team in Div I, but figured that didn't matter and they would give it to the UW-madison bound kid.


Part of it is probably that Koenig was suspended for part of the year.  And Fischer is the top player on one of the top teams in state history.

ChicosBailBonds

I have a feeling if Fischer was going to Marquette he doesn't win this award.  Over the years too many times the MU kid has gotten the shaft.  Now, I won't say that about Vander because he truly didn't live up to expectations his senior year, but in other cases I believe that to be the case.

I'll put my tin foil hat away now.   ;D

GGGG

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 09, 2013, 10:17:33 AM
I have a feeling if Fischer was going to Marquette he doesn't win this award.  Over the years too many times the MU kid has gotten the shaft.  Now, I won't say that about Vander because he truly didn't live up to expectations his senior year, but in other cases I believe that to be the case.

I'll put my tin foil hat away now.   ;D


Eh, it's hard for me to see that.  MU have had a number of recruits win it, including ties (Christopherson and Nankivil) and close calls (Matthews over Landry).

Between this thread and the "Tired of our WI bretheran" thread, I see MU victimization is out in full force today.

I mean, it's not like we are playing for a championship or anything.

chapman

Quote from: Slim on March 09, 2013, 05:06:34 AM
They should have just given Looney his award for next year while they were at it. Next year's vote will likely be the most lopsided vote in history.

And magically if he commits to MU he will essentially forfeit his chances of getting the award even if he averaged 40 and 20 on an undefeated team.

GGGG

Quote from: chapman on March 09, 2013, 10:25:42 AM
And magically if he commits to MU he will essentially forfeit his chances of getting the award even if he averaged 40 and 20 on an undefeated team.


No evidence that has happened in the past.  Name one time that a MU recruit should have gotten it, but didn't.

chapman

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 09, 2013, 10:30:34 AM

No evidence that has happened in the past.  Name one time that a MU recruit should have gotten it, but didn't.

Blue.

GGGG

Quote from: chapman on March 09, 2013, 10:33:43 AM
Blue.


So you think they had some sort of Princeton bias?

TJ Bray had a very good year.  It was hardly controversial.  And this is one year after a MU recruit got the award.  (Maymon)

ChicosBailBonds

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 09, 2013, 10:30:34 AM

No evidence that has happened in the past.  Name one time that a MU recruit should have gotten it, but didn't.

I can think of a few

Tony Smith in 1986
Steve Novak in 2002
Jerry Smith in 2006 (went to Louisville...Andy Polka won it)
 

GGGG

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 09, 2013, 11:03:22 AM
I can think of a few

Tony Smith in 1986
Steve Novak in 2002
Jerry Smith in 2006 (went to Louisville...Andy Polka won it)


2002...Greg Brown was a high D1 (ranked about 50 on Scout) prospect on the best team in the state (Vincent).  He had to go Juco due to eligibility and never made it to high level ball.

I have no idea about 1986 and Kirby Kulas, but according to this he averaged 23/12...not bad. 

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1368&dat=19810224&id=p35QAAAAIBAJ&sjid=CRIEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4599,4439110

And 2006 doesn't really support your case at all cause Smith went to Louisville.

ChicosBailBonds

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 09, 2013, 11:16:03 AM

2002...Greg Brown was a high D1 (ranked about 50 on Scout) prospect on the best team in the state (Vincent).  He had to go Juco due to eligibility and never made it to high level ball.

I have no idea about 1986 and Kirby Kulas, but according to this he averaged 23/12...not bad. 

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1368&dat=19810224&id=p35QAAAAIBAJ&sjid=CRIEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4599,4439110

And 2006 doesn't really support your case at all cause Smith went to Louisville.

Just my opinions.  Tony Smith was hands down the best player that year and Kulas, who didn't even play DI ball, got the award.  Novak was ranked higher than Brown, though you know how I feel about these rankings, but if we're going to use them then we should point out Novak was 57th in the RSCI that year, Brown 80th.  https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?chrome=false&key=0Aixs-EnAQWbMdFM4WkxMM016dU5GekQ4bTF5VFB0SHc&output=html&pubredirect=true&widget=true

On Jerry Smith, using rankings again...45th best player.  Polka not even top 100.  Take the ratings for what they are worth, I don't particularly like them, but Jerry was a much better player than Polka in my opinion.


chapman

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 09, 2013, 10:48:00 AM

So you think they had some sort of Princeton bias?

If he remained committed to UW it wouldn't even have been close.

PuertoRicanNightmare

If Fischer was committed to MU, Chicos wouldn't have started this thread.

ChicosBailBonds

Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on March 09, 2013, 11:46:05 AM
If Fischer was committed to MU, Chicos wouldn't have started this thread.

Not true.  The tweet I got last night indicated the winner and I shared it.  Regardless of who won I would have posted it here. 


keefe

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 09, 2013, 12:02:42 PM
Not true.  The tweet I got last night indicated the winner and I shared it.  Regardless of who won I would have posted it here. 



Right.  Sure. My money's on the Puerto Rican.


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ChicosBailBonds

Quote from: keefe on March 09, 2013, 12:04:13 PM
Right.  Sure. My money's on the Puerto Rican.

Yeah, just like the other day when he said "I never said that" and I provided 5 or 6 illustrations where he had.  LOL.  He still hasn't responded to that one. 

Believe what you want, I posted the tweet within a short time of receiving it.  I was genuinely surprised Koenig didn't get it.  Hate to see all this good Wisconsin talent leaving the state, but MU got their fair share which is nice.  Bucky got one...a good one...but they got stiffed mostly which is great.

Would love to talk further, but my son's game is about to start and proud papa has Canon in hand to shoot since proud mama is with daughter at her tennis gig.

Enjoy.  Go Warriors, bring home the championship!


GGGG

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 09, 2013, 11:29:48 AM
Just my opinions.  Tony Smith was hands down the best player that year and Kulas, who didn't even play DI ball, got the award.  Novak was ranked higher than Brown, though you know how I feel about these rankings, but if we're going to use them then we should point out Novak was 57th in the RSCI that year, Brown 80th.  https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?chrome=false&key=0Aixs-EnAQWbMdFM4WkxMM016dU5GekQ4bTF5VFB0SHc&output=html&pubredirect=true&widget=true

On Jerry Smith, using rankings again...45th best player.  Polka not even top 100.  Take the ratings for what they are worth, I don't particularly like them, but Jerry was a much better player than Polka in my opinion.


College rankings have nothing to do with who had the better high school season.

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