C7 + possible newcomers NCAA tournament history

[Stronghold]

Here is a tiny spreadsheet I just worked up to get an idea of the tournament history of our potential new conference.  Surprising how much better the C7 teams, minus Seton Hall, have done in the tournament than the possible newcomers.

Team               Tournament Appearances   Tournament Record      Final Fours        Championship Seasons
Marquette                          30                           38-31                   3                           1977
Georgetown                   28                           46-27                   5                           1984
Villanova                           32                               49-32                   4                           1985
Seton Hall                           9                           15-9                           1                           None
St. Johns                           28                           27-30                   2                             None
Providence                           15                           14-16                   2                           None
DePaul                              22                           21-25                   2                            None
C7 TOTALS                   164                           210-170                   19                           3
            
            
Xavier                           23                           21-23                   0                           None
Butler                           11                           18-11                   2                           None
            
Creighton                           17                           10-18                   0                          None
St. Louis                           7                           4-8                           0                           None
Richmond                           9                           8-9                           0                           None
Dayton                           14                           14-16                   1                          None
Gonzaga                             15                           17-15                   0                             None

[Stronghold]

P.S. sorry for the janky format, don't know why it's not lined up correctly

[🏀]

Here is a tiny spreadsheet I just worked up to get an idea of the tournament history of our potential new conference.  Surprising how much better the C7 teams, minus Seton Hall, have done in the tournament than the possible newcomers.

Team               Tournament Appearances   Tournament Record      Final Fours        Championship Seasons
Marquette                          30                           38-31                   3                           1977
Georgetown                   28                           46-27                   5                           1984
Villanova                           32                               49-32                   4                           1985
Seton Hall                           9                           15-9                           1                           None
St. Johns                           28                           27-30                   2                             None
Providence                           15                           14-16                   2                           None
DePaul                              22                           21-25                   2                            None
C7 TOTALS                   164                           210-170                   19                           3
            
            
Xavier                           23                           21-23                   0                           None
Butler                           11                           18-11                   2                           None
            
Creighton                           17                           10-18                   0                          None
St. Louis                           7                           4-8                           0                           None
Richmond                           9                           8-9                           0                           None
Dayton                           14                           14-16                   1                          None
Gonzaga                             15                           17-15                   0                             None

Fify.

[keefe]

Here is a tiny spreadsheet I just worked up to get an idea of the tournament history of our potential new conference.  Surprising how much better the C7 teams, minus Seton Hall, have done in the tournament than the possible newcomers.

Team               Tournament Appearances   Tournament Record      Final Fours        Championship Seasons
Marquette                          30                           38-31                   3                           1977
Georgetown                   28                           46-27                   5                           1984
Villanova                           32                               49-32                   4                           1985
Seton Hall                           9                           15-9                           1                           None
St. Johns                           28                           27-30                   2                             None
Providence                           15                           14-16                   2                           None
DePaul                              22                           21-25                   2                            None
C7 TOTALS                   164                           210-170                   19                           3
            
            
Xavier                           23                           21-23                   0                           None
Butler                           11                           18-11                   2                           None
            
Creighton                           17                           10-18                   0                          None
St. Louis                           7                           4-8                           0                           None
Richmond                           9                           8-9                           0                           None
Dayton                           14                           14-16                   1                          None
Gonzaga                             15                           17-15                   0                             None

Why are Dayton and Richmond on this list?

[brewcity77]

Why are Dayton and Richmond on this list?

Because the odds of both joining are about 1,000% higher than the odds of Gonzaga joining.

[keefe]

Because the odds of both joining are about 1,000% higher than the odds of Gonzaga joining.

I know you have family from Dayton but that hardly means we should bring them into the mix. How you say...Mid Major?

[Stronghold]

I just added teams that have been in the debate on the board.

[Norm]

I just added teams that have been in the debate on the board.

You forgot VCU! =)

[Abode4life]

Why are Dayton and Richmond on this list?

See the 30 other threads on this topic. 

I really hope it starts as a 10 team league with Butler, Xavier, and Creighton, and then see what other conference realignment happens in the next 18 months before the conference even begins (most likely).  I'd just hate to get locked in when other schools could be available depending on what else happens.

[bilsu]

I think over the last 10 years would be more relevant.

[Norm]

I think over the last 10 years would be more relevant.

Marquette - 8 NCAAs, 1 Final Four, 1 Elite Eight, 3 Sweet 16s, 10 total NCAA wins
Villanova - 7 NCAAs, 1 Final Four, 2 Elite Eights, 4 Sweet 16s, 12 total NCAA wins
Georgetown - 6 NCAAs, 1 Final Four, 1 Elite Eight, 2 Sweet 16s, 7 total NCAA wins
Seton Hall - 2 NCAAs, 1 total NCAA win
DePaul - 1 NCAA, 1 total NCAA win
St. John's - 1 NCAA, 0 total NCAA wins
Providence - 1 NCAA, 0 total NCAA wins

Xavier - 9 NCAAs, 2 Elite Eights, 5 Sweet 16s, 14 total NCAA wins
Butler - 6 NCAAs, 2 Runner Ups, 2 Final Fours, 2 Elite Eights, 4 Sweet 16s, 15 total NCAA wins
VCU - 5 NCAAs, 1 Final Four, 1 Elite Eight, 1 Sweet 16, 7 total NCAA wins
Creighton - 4 NCAAs, 1 total NCAA win
Richmond - 3 NCAAs, 2 total NCAA wins
Dayton - 3 NCAAs, 1 total NCAA win
St. Louis - 1 NCAA, 1 total NCAA win

Gonzaga - 10 NCAAs, 2 Sweet 16s, 10 total NCAA wins

Looking at the performance over the past 10 years, Seton Hall, St. John's, Providence and DePaul have really stunk.

[wardle2wade]

Marquette - 8 NCAAs, 1 Final Four, 1 Elite Eight, 3 Sweet 16s, 10 total NCAA wins
Villanova - 7 NCAAs, 1 Final Four, 2 Elite Eights, 4 Sweet 16s, 12 total NCAA wins
Georgetown - 6 NCAAs, 1 Final Four, 1 Elite Eight, 2 Sweet 16s, 7 total NCAA wins
Seton Hall - 2 NCAAs, 1 total NCAA win
DePaul - 1 NCAA, 1 total NCAA win
St. John's - 1 NCAA, 0 total NCAA wins
Providence - 1 NCAA, 0 total NCAA wins

Xavier - 9 NCAAs, 2 Elite Eights, 5 Sweet 16s, 14 total NCAA wins
Butler - 6 NCAAs, 2 Runner Ups, 2 Final Fours, 2 Elite Eights, 4 Sweet 16s, 15 total NCAA wins
VCU - 5 NCAAs, 1 Final Four, 1 Elite Eight, 1 Sweet 16, 7 total NCAA wins
Creighton - 4 NCAAs, 1 total NCAA win
Richmond - 3 NCAAs, 2 total NCAA wins
Dayton - 3 NCAAs, 1 total NCAA win
St. Louis - 1 NCAA, 1 total NCAA win

Gonzaga - 10 NCAAs, 2 Sweet 16s, 10 total NCAA wins

Looking at the performance over the past 10 years, Seton Hall, St. John's, Providence and DePaul have really stunk.

Well done, Norm.  This really puts it into perspective on how well MU has done. 

Marquette really has a chance to be the poster child of the league with our upcoming class.

[keefe]

You forgot VCU! =)

He also forgot Siena ad Detroit Mercy

[The Equalizer]

Team	Tournament Appearances	Tournament Record	Final Fours	Championship Seasons
Creighton	17	10-18	0	None
Dayton	14	14-16	1	None

Creighton - 4 NCAAs, 1 total NCAA win
Dayton - 3 NCAAs, 1 total NCAA win

In light of the facts, can someone please explain the overwhelming support for Creighton and extreme animosity for Dayton?

[buckchuckler]

Well done, Norm.  This really puts it into perspective on how well MU has done. 

Marquette really has a chance to be the poster child of the league with our upcoming class.

It also puts into perspective just how good Xavier has been.  That is very impressive. 

[slingkong]

In light of the facts, can someone please explain the overwhelming support for Creighton and extreme animosity for Dayton?

Similarly, explain the presumption that SLU will be added. From the looks of it, Dayton would be a better add.

[GGGG]

In light of the facts, can someone please explain the overwhelming support for Creighton and extreme animosity for Dayton?

Because Dayton's fans can be kinda dickish.

But seriously, I think you have Marquette pushing for Creighton, and to a lesser degree SLU, because of the Jesuit connections between the schools...you have Georgetown pushing for Richmond as a eastern alternative...and Dayton is stuck without advocates.

[Chili]

In light of the facts, can someone please explain the overwhelming support for Creighton and extreme animosity for Dayton?

Creighton is #6 in attendance. Also a new media market (Dayton is sandwiched between X and Butler). Also, Creighton is Jesuit, Dayton is not.

[Pakuni]

Because Dayton's fans can be kinda dickish.

But seriously, I think you have Marquette pushing for Creighton, and to a lesser degree SLU, because of the Jesuit connections between the schools...you have Georgetown pushing for Richmond as a eastern alternative...and Dayton is stuck without advocates.

Doesn't hurt that Creighton's president is a former Marquette administrator and current member of MU's Board of Trustees.

Also, Creighton is a much better program that gives the conference opportunity for exposure in a different region/market (the Dayton market largely overlaps with Cincy).

And, last but not least, Dayton fans suck.

[🏀]

In light of the facts, can someone please explain the overwhelming support for Creighton and extreme animosity for Dayton?

Dayton is a shitty town that bring nothing in terms of media market.

The camera angle at Dayton Arena is horrid. I hate it.

And there's this http://udpride.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=3

[GGGG]

And there's this http://udpride.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=3

"Path to the A10 12-seed"...how aspirational. 

[chapman]

Similarly, explain the presumption that SLU will be added. From the looks of it, Dayton would be a better add.

All depends on what selective sample you pull.  All-time?  Sure, Dayton trumps SLU.  Last 10 years, slight edge.  Last 10 years when you include this year - up by one appearance and SLU has more success in the tournament.  Moving forward and considering media market?  SLU for sure.  

[buckchuckler]

Once you get past butler, there aren't a lot of distinguishing factors between the other teams. 

[Litehouse]

Once you get past butler, there aren't a lot of distinguishing factors between the other teams. 

Which is why I'd rather stick with 9 for now.

[keefe]

Marquette - 8 NCAAs, 1 Final Four, 1 Elite Eight, 3 Sweet 16s, 10 total NCAA wins
Villanova - 7 NCAAs, 1 Final Four, 2 Elite Eights, 4 Sweet 16s, 12 total NCAA wins
Georgetown - 6 NCAAs, 1 Final Four, 1 Elite Eight, 2 Sweet 16s, 7 total NCAA wins
Seton Hall - 2 NCAAs, 1 total NCAA win
DePaul - 1 NCAA, 1 total NCAA win
St. John's - 1 NCAA, 0 total NCAA wins
Providence - 1 NCAA, 0 total NCAA wins

Xavier - 9 NCAAs, 2 Elite Eights, 5 Sweet 16s, 14 total NCAA wins
Butler - 6 NCAAs, 2 Runner Ups, 2 Final Fours, 2 Elite Eights, 4 Sweet 16s, 15 total NCAA wins
VCU - 5 NCAAs, 1 Final Four, 1 Elite Eight, 1 Sweet 16, 7 total NCAA wins
Creighton - 4 NCAAs, 1 total NCAA win
Richmond - 3 NCAAs, 2 total NCAA wins
Dayton - 3 NCAAs, 1 total NCAA win
St. Louis - 1 NCAA, 1 total NCAA win

Gonzaga - 10 NCAAs, 2 Sweet 16s, 10 total NCAA wins

Looking at the performance over the past 10 years, Seton Hall, St. John's, Providence and DePaul have really stunk.

This demonstrates that over the past 10 years Gonzaga has the most distinguished post season resume. One could extend that out to 15 years with similar results.