If you had to pick ...

[flash]

Sweet 16s are nice, but you will remember a Final Four appearance forever, This one was an easy decision. 

[Eldon]

Recently Xavier went to three consecutive sweet 16s and nobody makes (or made) a big deal of it.  If they had gone to a FF one of those years, we'd all remember that.  FF>3S16s for sure

[4everwarriors]

Chico's

TC stepping on his Johnson after FF was not a good thing. Anyone close to the program was extremely disappointed in following two years. Wedding not build on something that was started. Politely say you are off base in saying the two post FF seasons were not a disappointment.

You really think MU got into BE solely because of making FF?

With Crean's short legs and extra small feet, it didn't take much for him to step on his Johnson.

[Tugg Speedman]

Recently Xavier went to three consecutive sweet 16s and nobody makes (or made) a big deal of it.  If they had gone to a FF one of those years, we'd all remember that.  FF>3S16s for sure

Sure about that?  If X did not accomplish this, would they still be the number 1 choice to add to the C7?

No, if they did not go to 3 straight S16s, they are no different than Dayton.

VCU went to one FF how bad does the C7 want them relative to X?

[TinyTimsLittleBrother]

Sure about that?  If X did not accomplish this, would they still be the number 1 choice to add to the C7?

No, if they did not go to 3 straight S16s, they are no different than Dayton.

VCU went to one FF how bad does the C7 want them relative to X?

That's not the reason Xavier is being chosen over VCU.

[MUDPT]

The 2005 team was never, ever close to making the tournament, with or without Diener.  They were 5-5 with him in CUSA that season.  DePaul finished 10-6 in CUSA and didn't make the tournament. Memphis and Houston finished at 9-7 and didn't make it. TCU finished 8-8 and didn't make it. UAB finished 10-6 and was an 11 seed.   Our best away win (which seems to be a popular topic today) was at SLU, ranked 142 in Pomeroy that year.  

[🏀]

VCU went to one FF how bad does the C7 want them relative to X?

Apples to Oranges.

Even if you switch the NCAA resumes of VCU and X, the C7 still wants X over VCU.

Even if X doesn't go to three straight S16s, they're still better than Dayton because Dayton sucks.

[🏀]

The 2005 team was never, ever close to making the tournament, with or without Diener.  They were 5-5 with him in CUSA that season.  DePaul finished 10-6 in CUSA and didn't make the tournament. Memphis and Houston finished at 9-7 and didn't make it. TCU finished 8-8 and didn't make it. UAB finished 10-6 and was an 11 seed.   Our best away win (which seems to be a popular topic today) was at SLU, ranked 142 in Pomeroy that year.  

While the team wasn't great, let's get the facts right.

The team was 6-7 when Diener went down, and were not projecting into the tournament. Diener was out earlier in the season, @Louisville where Rick lasted the full 40 minutes and hammered Marquette all game. Diener was also out against UAB where Marcus Jackson had to play point guard against Mike Anderson's 40 minutes of hell.

With Travis all year, that team finishes 9-7. Which would have made them a bubble team, Travis' 20 PPG could have helped us win some games in the CUSA tournament, but who knows.

Point is, that team was a bubble team with Travis healthy all year.

[keefe]

Let's see where we end up this year before you start comparing.

Either way one Final Four > three Sweet Sixteens.

Of course it is. But when you throw two straight NITs immediately after a Final Four then the calculus is changed materially. I would much rather have 3 straight Sweet Sixteens than to suffer the shame of what happened in 04 and 05. The Western Michigan debacle still burns. 

[MUDPT]

While the team wasn't great, let's get the facts right.

The team was 6-7 when Diener went down, and were not projecting into the tournament. Diener was out earlier in the season, @Louisville where Rick lasted the full 40 minutes and hammered Marquette all game. Diener was also out against UAB where Marcus Jackson had to play point guard against Mike Anderson's 40 minutes of hell.

With Travis all year, that team finishes 9-7. Which would have made them a bubble team, Travis' 20 PPG could have helped us win some games in the CUSA tournament, but who knows.

Point is, that team was a bubble team with Travis healthy all year.

I'm not sure in my post where I didn't post a fact.  I guess they were a bubble team.  They had one win over a top 50 team, Wisconsin at home.  The 2011 team, one of the last teams included in the tournament, had 5. The 2011 team had 1 loss against teams outside of the top 50.  The 2005 team had 5 losses against teams outside of the top 50.  Don't think there was enough Travis magic to make up for the fact that Chapman and Mason were not point guards.

[ChicosBailBonds]

With Crean's short legs and extra small feet, it didn't take much for him to step on his Johnson.

His tie kept getting in the way