Sean O'Mara and Marquette

[IrwinFletcher]

If the kid can play I would bet on ND. Awful lot of Benet Academy kids end up at ND every year.

And Wisconsin.

And Northwestern.

[marquette09]

Awful lot of Benet kids end up at Marquette every year too.  Some years Marquette gets more Benet Grads than ND!  Generally speaking though it is roughly the same amount that go to each.

My graduating class from Benet had more kids go to ND than MU, but like you said it's usually about even.  Generally, MU is in the top five to seven most popular schools for Benet grads. 

[keefe]

PTM

What year did you make that decision? To be hoest in today's economy I would not give my kid that choice. They are going to ND no matter how I would hate it. IMO best networking school in the country.

Uh, I would beg to differ. My Ivy Alma Mater's Alumni Network makes Notre Dame's look like  your local junior high

[Room510]

I attended a Redwing's game recently.  They did the "I Believe that We Will Win" thing at tipoff.  Sean should feel right at home tomorrow.

[Goose]

PTM

Talk to me in 10-20 years when your kids are ready for college. My two oldest are both college grads in fours years and no student loans. I really do not feel sorry for them at all. We discussed options with our kids and obviously got their input and they had say in college choice. As a parent who has paid every dollar of private education for four kids I do believe my wife and I have some say in the decision.

Keefe
No doubt the Ivy's also have great networking. My point on ND is at higher number of alum's than Ivy's and without a doubt a national presence with alums. I would think ND has more grads scattered around the US than most of the upper end schools.

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PTM

Talk to me in 10-20 years when your kids are ready for college. My two oldest are both college grads in fours years and no student loans. I really do not feel sorry for them at all. We discussed options with our kids and obviously got their input and they had say in college choice. As a parent who has paid every dollar of private education for four kids I do believe my wife and I have some say in the decision.

In that case, I'd rather come out of school with low interest student education loans that have my parental units dictate my college decision.

I'm not trying to criticize you here, just saying that ND might seem like the highest caliber school around, but it isn't. There are more than enough reasons one high school student could find wrong with ND than compared to Marquette.

Once you strip away the Bascilia of Sacred Heart and Gesu, what is taught at both schools doesn't differ one bit. The true difference is where one feels comfortable enough to be successful, while enjoying the fruits of being a college student. For these reasons, I wound up at Marquette.

There's also the reason that ND's focus within their Civil Engineering department is not what I was looking for.

[Goose]

PTM

I am not one that thinks ND is all that special. Unfortunately there are plenty that do. My point is simple, even if comparable degree at each school, I believe ND long term provides greater opprtunity. Trust me, I hate even typing that.

[Avenue Commons]

My nephew went to Benet and got into ND. I think over 30 kids in his class were accepted to ND.

A Benet Grad told me that Benet is the top feeder prep school into ND. Don't know if that's true. I'd guess St Ignatius or Loyola Academy.

[Dish]

RIP Slantdome. For the record, St. Eds had the worst gym in the old SCC. I always felt like that place was a prison facility.

We live in Elgin, and my two year old twins will probably end up going to St. Ed's. That gym is as old school as it gets.

I hated Driscoll's gym (RIP Driscoll).

[StillWarriors]

I attended a Redwing's game recently.  They did the "I Believe that We Will Win" thing at tipoff.  Sean should feel right at home tomorrow.

The student section at Benet games is outstanding. I was at a game earlier this year where the entire student section was mimicking every move made by the opposing teams very loud and demonstrative coach. It was hard to focus on the game rather than watching the students it was so funny. Eventually, one of the faculty shut it down, but it was hilarious while it lasted.

[Avenue Commons]

PTM

I am not one that thinks ND is all that special. Unfortunately there are plenty that do. My point is simple, even if comparable degree at each school, I believe ND long term provides greater opprtunity. Trust me, I hate even typing that.

This is accurate. And I hate ND. An ND diploma carries much more weight than MU.

The gap has closed considerably in the last 10-15 years, but there is still a considerable gap.

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PTM

I am not one that thinks ND is all that special. Unfortunately there are plenty that do. My point is simple, even if comparable degree at each school, I believe ND long term provides greater opprtunity. Trust me, I hate even typing that.

No doubt. Agreed.

[Blue Horseshoe]

A Benet Grad told me that Benet is the top feeder prep school into ND. Don't know if that's true. I'd guess St Ignatius or Loyola Academy.

A Fenwick grad told me the same thing. Birds of a feather.

[keefe]

Spoken like a true, arrogant UofM grad.

Both schools have their strengths and weaknesses. MSU is great in agriculture science, restaurant and hotel management, political science and some others, while U of M is really good in engineering, physics, economics and general business. To be honest, U of M's requirements for getting through the Liberal Arts school there are a joke. My friends who went through that program never had to take a math, science, philosophy or language. They were able to take classes were all they had to do was show up, watch a court case in a court room for an hour, sign in and then write a 10 page paper at the end of the semester - and get 3 credits for it.

But you are right about the co-eds at MSU - much, much better scenery than in Ann Arbor.

I went to Michigan for grad school so I wasn't caught up in the MSU disdain game. A lot of people don't realize that about 70% of the UofM undergrad community is from out of state and that the grad school was traditionally larger than the undergrad colleges. (I think they increased out of state undergrads to generate revenue) Michigan always had the second smallest undergrad population in the Big 10 but not sure what the new joiners (Neb, MD, et al) have done to that.

As far as alumni networking my corporate experience was around Asia and Michigan has a very active alumni system. There were always social events, cultural activities, and gatherings not centered around Michigan football. They also tapped us to do face to face interviews with local prospective students. I spent many a middle of the Jan 1-2 night (15 hr time difference) watching Michigan lose some bowl game at a Michigan Club hosted gathering. Michigan is simply bigger and more international than Marquette which had no alumni gatherings in Tokyo, Hong Kong, Singapore or Jakarta. We watched Michigan win the Ship at the Sydney Sheraton with more than 500 Michigan grads. In Seattle, the Michigan Club has 600 people all wearing Go Blue stuff packed into Buckleys in Belltown. I have been to Buckleys in Queen Anne for Marquette games and we have about 30 folks for NCAA games. MU is a quarter the size of Michigan and much more parochial (pardon the pun) in its demographic profile. 

[79Warrior]

This is accurate. And I hate ND. An ND diploma carries much more weight than MU.

The gap has closed considerably in the last 10-15 years, but there is still a considerable gap.

Yep. They have a staggering endowment to boot. They have a lower acceptance rate than MU. I love MU, but ND wins this one.

[4everwarriors]

The catholic schools scholastically are:
1. Georgetown (oddly only about 50% catholic)
2. Notre Dame
3. Boston College

The rest are all also rans

[keefe]

Keefe
No doubt the Ivy's also have great networking. My point on ND is at higher number of alum's than Ivy's and without a doubt a national presence with alums. I would think ND has more grads scattered around the US than most of the upper end schools.

You are kidding, of course. I went to HBS and we have a global alumni network. In Singapore I would attend HBS/Crimson gatherings and feel absolutely humbled. I was the COO of a GE Cap JV with Sun Microsystems, SingTel, and Oracle in the Health Care/Data Management vertical but my fellow alums were Government Ministers, General Officers from regional countries, President Directors of multi-billion enterprises. HBS alone graduates 800 each year. Not sure how many UND pushes out each year but it ain't as many as Harvard.

[Groin_pull]

The catholic schools scholastically are:
1. Georgetown (oddly only about 50% catholic)
2. Notre Dame
3. Boston College

The rest are all also rans

"Also rans" may be a bit harsh, but you're basically correct. It's those three—and everyone else.

[Goose]

Keefe

How many degree's do you have? So you are saying there are more Harvard Business School alums than ND alums? No doubt that HBS has more Fortune 100 CEO's and folks on Wall Street than ND. I guess my point was the 99.9% of those who are not in the who's who of business.

I spend a fair amount of time in China and every major university has gatherings in Shanghai or Hong Kong. In 2012 I spent a fair amount of time with a Babson alum affair in Hong Kong. All good stuff but I'll stick with my point ND over MU in heart beat in national job market eyes. Now if my kid could to HBS...no frickin brainer, but that was not my original point.

[keefe]

"Also rans" may be a bit harsh, but you're basically correct. It's those three—and everyone else.

Marquette provides a great education and we have no reason to offer apologies to anyone. The wife and I are both alums and lived around the world. Not everyone heard of MU but those that did always seemed to have a favorable impression. I never felt I had to make any excuse for having matriculated at MU.

[Goose]

Keefe

I agree no apologies on MU education. Just sayin if my kid got into ND or GU I would steer them there over MU. I will have two a MU next year and not ashamed to tell anyone where my kids go.

[LAZER]

Marquette provides a great education and we have no reason to offer apologies to anyone. The wife and I are both alums and lived around the world. Not everyone heard of MU but those that did always seemed to have a favorable impression. I never felt I had to make any excuse for having matriculated at MU.

Matriculate...ah what a word

[Strokin 3s]

So Sean O'Mara huh?

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Keefe

I agree no apologies on MU education. Just sayin if my kid got into ND or GU I would steer them there over MU. I will have two a MU next year and not ashamed to tell anyone where my kids go.

But why then would you automatically steer them towards ND or GU? 

[Lighthouse 84]

But why then would you automatically steer them towards ND or GU? 

The same reason I steered my oldest to I4-Kelley School of Business.  If the field of study at another University is better than MU and your kid gets into that place, you steer them away from MU.  If one of my kids wants to go into engineering, nursing or dental, I'd steer them to MU.