Jamil...last year v. this year

[GGGG]

I brought this up in another thread but thought I would start a new one.  Here are Jamil's stats.

Last year...7.1/4.1/1.1 in 24mpg
This year...8.0/4.5/1.6 in 23mpg

If you look at the game logs, he was about as inconsistent as he has been this year.  So while he definitely hasn't progressed, I don't think it is fair to say he's regressed.

So I've come to the conclusion that this simply is who he is. 

[APieperFan3]

There was a BIG opportunity for Jamil to step into a larger role for our team. He was the leading candidate for that role - but didn't take it.

He has not "regressed" when you look at the stats...but he has been disappointing at times through out the season.

I still like some of the things he does - and when he is assertive on offense, he really helps us.

[GGGG]

Well, sometimes people don't have the capability (physically and/or mentally) of simply "stepping up."  As I have said in other threads, I think this is simply what he is as a basketball player and we need to adjust our expectations accordingly.

[4everwarriors]

The most telling stat you present is mpg. The dude should be playin' Blue minutes by now.

[nyg]

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Jamil-Wilson-66544

You can go back to 2009, when Wilson was a senior and at one time during his junior year was a top thirty ranked recruit.  For some reasons, the scouting analysts dropped him big time in it's final rankings to 94th.  Expectations were high for him, yet he like you said, looks like he simply is what he is at this point.  

[Tugg Speedman]

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Jamil-Wilson-66544

You can go back to 2009, when Wilson was a senior and at one time during his junior year was a top thirty ranked recruit.  For some reasons, the scouting analysts dropped him big time in it's final rankings to 94th.  Expectations were high for him, yet he like you said, looks like he simply is what he is at this point.  

If you go further back, I believe one service had him as a top 10 recruit his sophomore year.  That is when he was getting the attention of Duke, Michigan State, etc.

You can see the potential at times, size, athleticism ability to put the ball on the floor, can hit the three point shot.  So physically he has all the tools.

Sultan is correct, why we can see those tools and wonder why he is not on a short list to replace Crowder as BE POY, he is not that kind of player.  He is what he is.

Wes was a bit like this until his senior year.  Hopefully Buzz can work similar magic with Jamil.

[MarquetteDano]

I am really hoping he has a similar situation to Steve Novak.  I recall many here imploring Novak to shoot more and be more assertive on the boards and on offense.

It really took Steve's senior year to do so.  Obviously they are quite different players but perhaps somewhat similar in their mentality.

Steve had a much better supporting cast his senior campaign (versus his Junior season).  I think Wilson will as well.  Let's hope Jamil wakes up big his final year like Novak did.

[Lennys Tap]

With Jae Crowder gone there were a lot more minutes, points, rebounds, etc. available by default. That Jamil's potential increased opportunities/numbers are being poached by Juan, Davante, Trent, etc. speaks volumes.

[The Lens]

I think the senior season thing can be made and certainly Jae went from not starting due to stupid fouls to BE POY but Jamil is in his 4th year, you'd think he'd want to blow it out and make some money.  I thought he could have put together a leave early season. 

[GGGG]

I think the senior season thing can be made and certainly Jae went from not starting due to stupid fouls to BE POY but Jamil is in his 4th year, you'd think he'd want to blow it out and make some money.  I thought he could have put together a leave early season. 

Look, I'm sure he *wants* to blow it out and make the NBA.  I am also reasonably sure that he works pretty hard at it too.

Maybe he just can't do it.

[NavinRJohnson]

If you aren't moving forward, you're moving backwards.

Agree with the comments that he is who is. Doesn't mean he can't progress, but he hasn't this far. Ultimately, the best players are going to play. If he's not in that mix, so be it.

[Goose]

I said when season started he and VB were the keys to play high level IMO. VB is playing almost the whole game and putting up numbers and solid performances. Maybe Buzz needs to let Jamil out there for 30-35 a night and see if he can do it.

[GGGG]

I've had the same discussion with Ners on this point with regards to Todd Mayo.  Just playing someone more doesn't mean they are going to get better.

[Ellenson Guerrero]

Jamil has to be considered the biggest disappointment of the season thus far. Had he taken a jump in his game like Blue, this team would look much different right now.

[NickelDimer]

I think it's more than fair to say he's regressed. He's been given more latitude and a lrger role and hasn't improved in any area.  In fact I think his role and value are less clear this year than last.

[tower912]

At this point, he hadn't start playing big minutes yet for an extended period.   Once Gardner got hurt, JWilson's minutes and play escalated. 

[Goose]

Sultan

I think big difference between Jamil and Todd in regards to minutes. Jamil is proven player, frustrating at times, but a proven player with no doubt high D1 talent. Some guys just need to get in the flow of the game. This season is a bonus in regards to victories at this point and that has been fun. At this point trying to maximize this season and getting guys ready for next year seems to make sense. Knowing if Jamil is 30-35 minute guy going into next season would make planning easier I would think. If he cannot play at the expected level going into next year you go to Plan B.

As for Todd, I am never sure if he is around for the next game let alone next season. My expectations from him are rapidly falling and he would not be in long range plans if I were the coach.

[ceh]

I said when season started he and VB were the keys to play high level IMO. VB is playing almost the whole game and putting up numbers and solid performances. Maybe Buzz needs to let Jamil out there for 30-35 a night and see if he can do it.

I'm not sure what is going on, but Buzz is definitely sending a message to JW with his PT.  Also, I thought with extended minutes on Sunday JW did not look very good and in general seemed lost out there.  We are in a bit of a quandary as our 3/4 play has been inconsistent this year.  I like the way TL is trending, but he is only 1 guy.

[GGGG]

At this point, he hadn't start playing big minutes yet for an extended period.   Once Gardner got hurt, JWilson's minutes and play escalated. 

Ehh...kind of.  His minutes went up, but had up and down games just like he has had so far this season.  In the end he averaged 7.1 ppg.

[GGGG]

I think it's more than fair to say he's regressed. He's been given more latitude and a lrger role and hasn't improved in any area.  In fact I think his role and value are less clear this year than last.

Only if you change the definition of the word "regressed."

[GGGG]

Sultan

I think big difference between Jamil and Todd in regards to minutes. Jamil is proven player, frustrating at times, but a proven player with no doubt high D1 talent. Some guys just need to get in the flow of the game. This season is a bonus in regards to victories at this point and that has been fun. At this point trying to maximize this season and getting guys ready for next year seems to make sense. Knowing if Jamil is 30-35 minute guy going into next season would make planning easier I would think. If he cannot play at the expected level going into next year you go to Plan B.

He's playing 23 minutes a game.  More than enough to "get into the flow."  Ramping that up to 30-35 isn't going to change it all that much. 

[MU82]

I'm not sure what is going on, but Buzz is definitely sending a message to JW with his PT.  Also, I thought with extended minutes on Sunday JW did not look very good and in general seemed lost out there.  We are in a bit of a quandary as our 3/4 play has been inconsistent this year.  I like the way TL is trending, but he is only 1 guy.

Actually, it is JW who is sending the message to Buzz.

JW's message is: "I'm too laid-back, too willing to drift, too prone to commit silly fouls and not nearly as dependable as a fourth-year player should be. So limit my minutes or you'll be sorry."

[MerrittsMustache]

I brought this up in another thread but thought I would start a new one.  Here are Jamil's stats.

Last year...7.1/4.1/1.1 in 24mpg
This year...8.0/4.5/1.6 in 23mpg

If you look at the game logs, he was about as inconsistent as he has been this year.  So while he definitely hasn't progressed, I don't think it is fair to say he's regressed.

So I've come to the conclusion that this simply is who he is. 

On top of that, he's playing basically the same number of minutes, shooting the same number of FGs, same number of FTs and shooting roughly the same percentages from the floor and from 3. The only numbers that have moved more than a fraction are 3pt attempted per game (0.9 last year to 2.2 this year) and FT% (70.7% to 80.6%).

He is who he is.

[NickelDimer]

Only if you change the definition of the word "regressed."

Nah...to me you're splitting hairs. He's doing less with more this year. He's taken a step back in that sense. Regressed.

[GGGG]

Nah...to me you're splitting hairs. He's doing less with more this year. He's taken a step back in that sense. Regressed.

How is he doing "less with more?"  He's playing the same number of minutes....scoring, rebounding, assisting, etc. pretty much at the same rate.  He simply hasn't improved.