Mayo

[GGGG]

Ahh....the cop out answer of "simple help defense" and being late on rotations.  I'm sure you have an intricate knowledge of Buzz's system with regard to rotation responsibilities/priorities.

No, I have a rudimentary understanding of basketball...and it's pretty obvious.

Never said Todd would be Jordan good..just that he's yet (in him MU career) to get the extended minutes of a DJO/Vander....and this season so far has had very limited runs of 2-3 plus minutes at a time.  Todd basically won us the Wisconsin game last year - Bo Ryan tried about 4 different defenders to check Mayo in that game - as he realized Mayo was the biggest threat - yes, even in a game with DJO and Vander in uniform...

13 months and two academic suspensions ago. 

[avid1010]

What's more likely:

Buzz can't figure out that Todd is as good DJO/Vander (or even better), and therefore doesn't give Mayo enough minutes.

OR

Todd just isn't that good (right now). 

i get that the comment of mayo being as good as djo/vander if he gets more minutes is ridiculous at the present time, but i would also argue that rythm and in-game experience is extremely important to player development and production.  if every coach felt the way buzz subs was best, you'd see it done a lot more, but it's a very specific plan for mu as to how buzz preps, how mu practices, etc.  i can't stand it...but it really works well for buzz.  

[GGGG]

But he *has* gotten extended time...especially in the second halves of games.  I really think he is using him sparingly in the first half so he can bring him in fresh in the second.

[MUBurrow]

But he *has* gotten extended time...especially in the second halves of games.  I really think he is using him sparingly in the first half so he can bring him in fresh in the second.

Which fits with the idea that Mayo is more of an isolation player, on both offense and defense, after missing so much time.  Occam's razor says that Mayo's missed time and subsequent need to catch up on team schemes is much more likely than Buzz's principled stubbornness to rather lose games than play Todd Mayo.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

I'd say what's most likely is that there is continued tension between Buzz and Todd, and Buzz won't sell out of his belief system and simply play a guy because he's extremely talented.  Buzz does things on principle and principle first - above even winning - Mayo could have played in Green Bay...but didn't cause Buzz felt he needed to have a sit down with Todd and Mom, prior to allowing Todd to play.

Buzz's principles aren't shooting 36% from the field and averaging more turnovers than assists... Todd is doing that.

Todd has had ample opportunity show what he can do. To this point, he has gotten what he has earned.

Now, as far as benching him goes, that could be something off the court between Buzz and Todd. I have no idea.

I like Todd, and I know you are a big fan. But, I think the idea that he is as good as DJO is extremely misguided. AND if Todd is really that good, then he should transfer immediately because he is being wasted at MU.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

i get that the comment of mayo being as good as djo/vander if he gets more minutes is ridiculous at the present time, but i would also argue that rythm and in-game experience is extremely important to player development and production.  if every coach felt the way buzz subs was best, you'd see it done a lot more, but it's a very specific plan for mu as to how buzz preps, how mu practices, etc.  i can't stand it...but it really works well for buzz.  

You're right, but that's sort of a chicken or the egg scenario. Should Juan Anderson get 30min per night? His numbers are similar to Mayo's, so you have to figure he would be better if he got more minutes, right? Probably not.

In college ball, guys have to earn their minutes in practice and in the limited action they get in games. It's not an exact science, but there is some logic to it. Steve Taylor is a good example. He's forcing himself into the line-up by playing well in limited action.

If Todd plays better in limited action, he will get more minutes*. Boom. Done.

*I don't know why he was benched for the PC game, and I can't even make an educated guess because I have no insight.

[Dawson Rental]

JT has been given plenty of opportunities to get meaningful minutes.  He is shooting 28% from deep.  On a team that is begging for a consistant deep threat, he would be getting more minutes if he could do what he was brought transferred in to do.
below 30% from 3, coupled with the slow, poor D, etc. equates to limited minutes.

FIFY.  Jake approached MU, Buzz didn't seek him out.  Although, I'm sure that Buzz was happy to learn that Jake was interested in playing as a walkon.  Team shake outs have allowed him to get a scholarship the last two years which I'm sure was the best he could have hoped for.

[Dawson Rental]

Mayo is the key to the Elite 8

Three straight years of sweet sixteen finishes won't be too shabby, I guess.

[Tugg Speedman]

Mayo will never be suspended again ... He'll just be gone.

So, if he's on the bench and not playing ... He's hurt.

[NersEllenson]

Buzz's principles aren't shooting 36% from the field and averaging more turnovers than assists... Todd is doing that.

Todd has had ample opportunity show what he can do. To this point, he has gotten what he has earned.

Now, as far as benching him goes, that could be something off the court between Buzz and Todd. I have no idea.

I like Todd, and I know you are a big fan. But, I think the idea that he is as good as DJO is extremely misguided. AND if Todd is really that good, then he should transfer immediately because he is being wasted at MU.

Funny - Todd has had exactly 4 Big East Games thus far, getting his legs under him, and you want to indict him as a 36% shooter...and if you want to compare Vander for the same 5 games Vander is shooting 39% and has 11 Assists against 10 turnovers...not exactly mind blowing numbers....all the while getting about 35 minutes per game and having had the benefit of practicing with the team/playing the first half of the season.....which Todd didn't - but that's Todd's fault - yet it makes his numbers thus far in Big East play not as paltry/awful as you'd paint them to be - or at least not when looked at against Vander - who I made the comparison to that Todd would likely equal/exceed Vander's production if given same minutes....but you and Sultan got all up in arms about...

[GGGG]

Funny - Todd has had exactly 4 Big East Games thus far, getting his legs under him, and you want to indict him as a 36% shooter...and if you want to compare Vander for the same 5 games Vander is shooting 39% and has 11 Assists against 10 turnovers...not exactly mind blowing numbers....all the while getting about 35 minutes per game and having had the benefit of practicing with the team/playing the first half of the season.....which Todd didn't - but that's Todd's fault - yet it makes his numbers thus far in Big East play not as paltry/awful as you'd paint them to be - or at least not when looked at against Vander - who I made the comparison to that Todd would likely equal/exceed Vander's production if given same minutes....but you and Sultan got all up in arms about...

You are the only one comparing Vander to Todd here.

[wadesworld]

Ahh....the cop out answer of "simple help defense" and being late on rotations.  I'm sure you have an intricate knowledge of Buzz's system with regard to rotation responsibilities/priorities.

Never said Todd would be Jordan good..just that he's yet (in him MU career) to get the extended minutes of a DJO/Vander....and this season so far has had very limited runs of 2-3 plus minutes at a time.  Todd basically won us the Wisconsin game last year - Bo Ryan tried about 4 different defenders to check Mayo in that game - as he realized Mayo was the biggest threat - yes, even in a game with DJO and Vander in uniform...

OJ?!  Is that you?!

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Funny - Todd has had exactly 4 Big East Games thus far, getting his legs under him, and you want to indict him as a 36% shooter...and if you want to compare Vander for the same 5 games Vander is shooting 39% and has 11 Assists against 10 turnovers...not exactly mind blowing numbers....all the while getting about 35 minutes per game and having had the benefit of practicing with the team/playing the first half of the season.....which Todd didn't - but that's Todd's fault - yet it makes his numbers thus far in Big East play not as paltry/awful as you'd paint them to be - or at least not when looked at against Vander - who I made the comparison to that Todd would likely equal/exceed Vander's production if given same minutes....but you and Sultan got all up in arms about...

I didn't get up in arms about the Vander comparison.

You said this:

Basketball is also a rhythm game, and when you are getting 2-3 minutes of run at a time, and then yanked - hard to get in the flow.  Give Todd 32 minutes a game like a DJO or Vander - and you'll see the same kind of results/perhaps better.

and I said this:

I like Todd, and I know you are a big fan. But, I think the idea that he is as good as DJO is extremely misguided. AND if Todd is really that good, then he should transfer immediately because he is being wasted at MU.

You are overshooting how good Todd is with your DJO comparison. You referenced how good Todd COULD be (the UW game), and I'm just going off his entire body of work, including the games he has played this season.

The kid has potential. He's a good role player (right now). But, I have a hard time critiquing Buzz for not giving Todd 30+ minutes. Todd just hasn't earned that with his performance.

[Lighthouse 84]

Wearing completely different warmup, hmmm maybe an injury?

Todd brought the baby blues to the game instead of the golds.  That's why he had a warmups on all game......

[Stretchdeltsig]

Love to see Todd and Jamil playing at the end of the game when it counts.

[NavinRJohnson]

Mayo will never be suspended again ... He'll just be gone.

So, if he's on the bench and not playing ... He's hurt.

That seems like the logical explanation, but it cold also be as simple as him being a joke in practice last week, and Buzz have ahem a couple hours to think about it on Saturday. Based on his comments it seems like it may be the latter. Though, one could just as easily conclude he is hurt worse than realized and they are choosing not to talk about it yet.

[MU82]

The notion that Mayo has not had ample opportunity is laughable.

No, he hasn't played all that much this season, but he played a ton last year as a freshman and went down in flames in the Big East season. Then he screwed up off the court and had to prove himself all over again. Meanwhile, some of the people with whom he is competing for court time have become better players, most notably Blue.

I want Mayo to succeed, but to paint him as the most important player on the team or some kind of superstar in the making, I just don't see how anybody makes that leap. Then again, some folks had him NBA-bound after he had a couple of decent non-con games in a row last year, so I guess taking major leaps of logic is what we do here sometimes.

[Tugg Speedman]

That seems like the logical explanation, but it cold also be as simple as him being a joke in practice last week, and Buzz have ahem a couple hours to think about it on Saturday. Based on his comments it seems like it may be the latter. Though, one could just as easily conclude he is hurt worse than realized and they are choosing not to talk about it yet.

Ok, that makes sense too.  But the larger point still stands.  Mayo will never be suspended again for breaking team rules.  He's out of second chances.  He'll just be gone.  So, if he is on the bench and not playing, it is either injury or a bad week of practice. 

[GGGG]

Ok, that makes sense too.  But the larger point still stands.  Mayo will never be suspended again for breaking team rules.  He's out of second chances.  He'll just be gone.  So, if he is on the bench and not playing, it is either injury or a bad week of practice. 

I wouldn't jump to that conclusion.  Mayo has never been suspended for breaking "team rules" previously.

[MU B2002]

Ahh....the cop out answer of "simple help defense" and being late on rotations.  I'm sure you have an intricate knowledge of Buzz's system with regard to rotation responsibilities/priorities.

Never said Todd would be Jordan good..just that he's yet (in him MU career) to get the extended minutes of a DJO/Vander....and this season so far has had very limited runs of 2-3 plus minutes at a time.  Todd basically won us the Wisconsin game last year - Bo Ryan tried about 4 different defenders to check Mayo in that game - as he realized Mayo was the biggest threat - yes, even in a game with DJO and Vander in uniform...

Is the whole reasoning behind this argument, the fact that you don't like Vander?   Because that's what I am getting.

Todd will get minutes, but he won't be taking them from Vander considering the offense and defense Blue brings to the table. And yes, the UW effort from May in December of 2011 was fantastic, but that was almost 14 months ago.  Quite a bit has has happened since then. Agree?

[Tugg Speedman]

I wouldn't jump to that conclusion.  Mayo has never been suspended for breaking "team rules" previously.

West Virginia game last year

[GGGG]

West Virginia game last year

Oh yeah...good point.  But he still wouldn't get kicked off the team.

[Pakuni]

And yes, the UW effort from May in December of 2011 was fantastic, but that was almost 14 months ago.  Quite a bit has has happened since then. Agree?

Precisely.
Reminds me of people several years back demanding more time for Amo because of his one monster game against South Carolina.
Todd's a valuable contributor, but I'm not convinced Buzz and playing time are the only things holding him back.

[GGGG]

I just looked at the stats....

Todd is sixth on the team in mpg...at 18 per - behind Blue, Cadougan, Lockett, Wilson and Gardner.  And this is after he missed the first half of the season.

And people are complaining about his minutes??

[bkooncy]

Is the whole reasoning behind this argument, the fact that you don't like Vander?   Because that's what I am getting.

Todd will get minutes, but he won't be taking them from Vander considering the offense and defense Blue brings to the table. And yes, the UW effort from May in December of 2011 was fantastic, but that was almost 14 months ago.  Quite a bit has has happened since then. Agree?

Toward the end of the Cincinnati gameTodd guarding Kilpatrick untill they switched Juan to him, not Vander which speaks very highly of Todd's defensive abilities.