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NersEllenson

Lockett reminds me of how Vander Blue played last year - really hard, very active, very good rebounding guard, marginal scorer...solid...but not spectacular.

Blue this year has turned the corner offensively, and has Lockett to be the more physical rebounding/defending guard.  Still would like to see more than 1 rebound from Vander in a game he plays 35 minutes...and I'm not hating on the guy...just saying.
"I'm not sure Cadougan would fix the problems on this team. I'm not even convinced he would be better for this team than DeWil is."

BrewCity77, December 8, 2013

classof70

Quote from: wadesworld on January 05, 2013, 03:45:04 PM
Disagree. You don't foul a guy inside the lane. Let him go in there. The problem was Trent left his guy and had his eyes on the guy driving, for whatever reason. Trent should've never left him open enough to cleanly catch a pass.

Exactly

onepost


LloydMooresLegs


Stretchdeltsig

Trent played a great game tonight.  Loved his intensity.  He was a difference maker.  Loved the team effort and their drive to win.  Go MU!

MUHoopsFan2

Quote from: oneposteagle on January 05, 2013, 06:35:52 PM
Wonder if Lazar saw him.......
LOL....leave our buddy Lazar alone. He aint seen nuthin! 

MUHoopsFan2

Quote from: robmufan on January 05, 2013, 05:03:46 PM
I still do not understand people wanting Taylor Jr. over Lockett at the end of the game.  Frosh v Sr. enough said.  I don't think Taylor Jr. gets that rebound on the missed third shot.

We all realize Lockett isn't Russel Wilson as much as we wanted him to be...but he isn't the worst player we have!
Quote from: robmufan on January 05, 2013, 05:03:46 PM
I still do not understand people wanting Taylor Jr. over Lockett at the end of the game.  Frosh v Sr. enough said.  I don't think Taylor Jr. gets that rebound on the missed third shot.

We all realize Lockett isn't Russel Wilson as much as we wanted him to be...but he isn't the worst player we have!
Quote from: robmufan on January 05, 2013, 05:03:46 PM
I still do not understand people wanting Taylor Jr. over Lockett at the end of the game.  Frosh v Sr. enough said.  I don't think Taylor Jr. gets that rebound on the missed third shot.

We all realize Lockett isn't Russel Wilson as much as we wanted him to be...but he isn't the worst player we have!


Yes he is....when you consider his class. Yes he is arguably. I would have put Taylor in there and instructed him to stay out on his man.

MUHoopsFan2

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 05, 2013, 05:15:02 PM
Lockett would have been a shoo-in for SOTG if it weren't for his bonehead move.  He made up for it by getting the rebound.  Why would you even consider Taylor in that situation?
Why not? Length....I would have put him in there in that situation for length on the perimeter telling him not to foul a jump shooter.
I absolutely would have played Taylor in that situation or Juan Anderson are you kidding me?

MUHoopsFan2

Quote from: robmufan on January 05, 2013, 05:03:46 PM
I still do not understand people wanting Taylor Jr. over Lockett at the end of the game.  Frosh v Sr. enough said.  I don't think Taylor Jr. gets that rebound on the missed third shot.

We all realize Lockett isn't Russel Wilson as much as we wanted him to be...but he isn't the worst player we have!
You completely contradicted yourself or at least answered your own comment.
You do not factor in the Frosh and Senior angle he does not play like a senior to me....yet.
That is overrated. That means more in the Pro's not in college ball. In that particular situation I would have gone for length on defense regardless.

MUHoopsFan2

Quote from: forgetful on January 05, 2013, 04:06:07 PM
My how we forget Lockett's critical plays down the stretch against UCONN quickly.  Lockett may be the best rebounder the team has, he's a great on ball defender and his shot and confidence is going up.  I like our prospects going forward, Lockett has turned the corner in my opinion.
Are you his roomate? LOL.....he has been pedestrian all year long when you consider his experience. I would not even play him if Mayo or if Juan Juan was playing a bit better offensively...Buzz has to play him to save face but to me he is highly underachieving and is limited skill wise. I am not a fan....yet.

79Warrior

Quote from: MU86NC on January 05, 2013, 04:01:52 PM
no way should Lockett be out there at the end of the game.  Sit him on the pine and put in Steve Taylor and be done with it...


Lockett was all over the court today. Huge rebounds, etc. You should watch the whole game instead of bitching about one play. Lockett was huge today.

MarquetteDano

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Quote from: 79Warrior on January 05, 2013, 07:58:18 PM
Lockett was all over the court today. Huge rebounds, etc. You should watch the whole game instead of bitching about one play. Lockett was huge today.

You should realize by now that Lockett is "the guy" this year, like Dominic James, and Merritt before him.

I love how everyone talks about how Lockett got schooled on a couple of plays on "D" when Mayo and Anderson got schooled twice as much in the game despite way less minutes.

I don't have a problem with Mayo or Anderson but I amazed how people ignore their mistakes whilst other player's mistakes are talked about ad nauseum.

Lockett foul on the three... terrible.  No doubt.  But he played a really good game today as a whole.

ChicosBailBonds

Quote from: wadesworld on January 05, 2013, 03:45:04 PM
Disagree. You don't foul a guy inside the lane. Let him go in there. The problem was Trent left his guy and had his eyes on the guy driving, for whatever reason. Trent should've never left him open enough to cleanly catch a pass.

Agree with this also.  It was hard for me to see since I was watching on the iPhone, but when only a 3 pointer can tie the game I could not understand why he wasn't literally faceguarding his opponent.  Instead, he let him creep in behind him and lost him in the corner while trying to cheat a bit into the lane...at least that's what it looked like on my phone.  Mindboggling how we let that happen.  Fortunately it all worked out.  I would have preferred a foul with about 4.5 seconds left before he made his move to the basket, but it is what it is.

MerrittsMustache

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 05, 2013, 05:15:02 PM
Lockett would have been a shoo-in for SOTG if it weren't for his bonehead move.  He made up for it by getting the rebound.  Why would you even consider Taylor in that situation?

Because he had 9 points in 12 minutes against UConn! The kid can do it all.

Come on, Sultan. I shouldn't have to keep pointing this out to you. Points = good.

GGGG

Quote from: MUHoopsFan2 on January 05, 2013, 07:55:56 PM
Are you his roomate? LOL.....he has been pedestrian all year long when you consider his experience. I would not even play him if Mayo or if Juan Juan was playing a bit better offensively...Buzz has to play him to save face but to me he is highly underachieving and is limited skill wise. I am not a fan....yet.


Mayo sat for most of the first half due to an inexcusably poor effort on a rebound...Juan Anderson is a foul machine.  Lockett and Wilson were by far the better choices against a slower, but lengthy Georgetown team.

jeffreyweee

Now I know this assumption is hardly 100% valid because there is a chance that he could make the 3 AND the foul shot, but if you assume that the only 2 situations that can happen are:

1) 3 foul shots
2) 1 3 PT shot

For scenario 1) he is a career .632 FT shooter thus giving him a 25.24% chance of hitting all 3 to tie the game.
For scenario 2) he is a career .357 3PT shooter, giving him exactly that chance (35.7%) to hit the 3 to tie the game


This oversimplifies in many, many ways but fouling Whittington really wasn't the worst thing Trent could have done. Giving him time to set his feet and get a clean look at 3 would have been far worse.

MerrittsMustache

Quote from: MUHoopsFan2 on January 05, 2013, 07:55:56 PM
Are you his roomate? LOL.....he has been pedestrian all year long when you consider his experience. I would not even play him if Mayo or if Juan Juan was playing a bit better offensively...Buzz has to play him to save face but to me he is highly underachieving and is limited skill wise. I am not a fan....yet.

Really?! A D1 basketball coach is giving a player significant minutes in order to save face? You can't possibly believe that, right?


MUBurrow

I dont know if its been brought up anywhere else, and I know its nitpicky, but I was tearing my hair out on Lockett's intentional miss.  First, Jamil skying for the rebound and risking an over the back call by a trigger happy ref. Then, Davante going for the steal after Gtown rebounded the second intentional miss. Could've easily have gotten arm on that slap.

I know it all worked out and is nitpicky/unlikely to happen again, but I would like to see Buzz get the guys off the lane in that situation.  Don't even risk a foul that could lose you the game.

TallTitan34

Can anyone confirm it was John Cahill calling the foul at the end of both this game and the Dom game in 2008?  He for sure was officiating both games but did he call both fouls?

Dr. Blackheart

Quote from: TallTitan34 on January 05, 2013, 10:38:46 PM
Can anyone confirm it was John Cahill calling the foul at the end of both this game and the Dom game in 2008?  He for sure was officiating both games but did he call both fouls?

Yep:  http://statsheet.com/mcb/games/2008/03/01/georgetown-70-marquette-68

Dumb foul by Lockett and he should have been glued to his man outside the perimeter.  He manned up today and redeemed himself with his tenth and surest rebound. Just a tough, physical game.

BallBoy

Quote from: AZWarrior on January 05, 2013, 03:48:42 PM
Agreed.  A two won't hurt us here.  Fouling stops the clock.  Probably won't kill us, but don't really want to.  

BUT THE OVER-RIDING (ok, I'll stop shouting) priority is to prevent / defend the three.

Trent never should have left his guy.  (Well said, BTW)

You realize any made shot stops the clock.  Giving up the two is worse then fouling because at least with a foul he has to make both free throws.  With 4 secs remaining GU would have fouled the person who got the inbounds pass.  MU would have needed to make both and I have seen MU miss quite a few free throws at the end.

This is the same reason why you don't foul with more than 3 seconds on the clock because your opponent can make  free  throws, foul and then still have shot to win.

The Process

Quote from: BallBoy on January 05, 2013, 11:01:53 PM
This is the same reason why you don't foul with more than 3 seconds on the clock because your opponent can make  free  throws, foul and then still have shot to win.


Which is why fouling while he was dribbling under the basket would have been the right answer, albeit with about 4 seconds left.
Relax. Respect the Process.

wadesworld

Quote from: CaptainAwesome on January 05, 2013, 11:16:09 PM
Which is why fouling while he was dribbling under the basket would have been the right answer, albeit with about 4 seconds left.

Except that when you put them at the line and they make the 2nd free throw they can set up their pressure defense and potentially get a steal, and at the very worse get an immediate foul. If they make a layup the chances of a good percentage of the clock running out are much, much higher than if they had just made a free throw. Plus there's always the chance that a kid puts up a shot while getting fouled so close to the basket and a ref gives him continuation and an and-1 and the game is suddenly tied. There is no incentive in fouling a guy in the lane while up by 3 points with 4 seconds left. Let him make a layup and still be losing without the basketball.

TJ

Quote from: jeffreyweee on January 05, 2013, 10:32:33 PM
Now I know this assumption is hardly 100% valid because there is a chance that he could make the 3 AND the foul shot, but if you assume that the only 2 situations that can happen are:

1) 3 foul shots
2) 1 3 PT shot

For scenario 1) he is a career .632 FT shooter thus giving him a 25.24% chance of hitting all 3 to tie the game.
For scenario 2) he is a career .357 3PT shooter, giving him exactly that chance (35.7%) to hit the 3 to tie the game


This oversimplifies in many, many ways but fouling Whittington really wasn't the worst thing Trent could have done. Giving him time to set his feet and get a clean look at 3 would have been far worse.
What about what Trent did today - foul him well after he had set his feet, gotten a clean look, and taken the shot?  There was no defense involved in the foul - it was just an out of control jump and he landed in Whittington's lap.  I disagree with your premise anyway, but this wasn't a foul that in any way affected whether the shot went in or not.

ChicosBailBonds

It came up tonight in the Washington vs Washington State game.  UW up 3 with 8.5 seconds to play.  They fouled Wazzu with about 4.5 left and the 1 and 1.  Wazzu missed the first free throw.  Game over.  The announcers went through all the stuff that has been pontificated here many times.  For the record, the announcers thought they should foul and that's what UW did. 

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