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NotAnAlum

I can't remember being more frustrated with an MU player.  I believe Wilson has more natural talent than anyone else on the MU team.  He has a body built for basketball, a smooth shot, can jump out of the gym.  But it almost seems like he makes dumb plays on purpose.  I've talked to him at a couple of functions during the summer and he seems well spoken and intelligent.  What happens when he steps on the court?  I assume that Buzz is starting Anderson in his place to try to motivate him but it sure doesn't seem to be working.  What is it going to take to get this guy to play to his potential?  He would have a legit shot at playing in the NBA in a couple of years if he would just apply himself.   I hope he's just waiting for the BE season so he can be fresh  ?-(

Blackhat

I remember at State his senior year he went off more so than Vander and was doing it every which way.   I thought he'd develop a nice intermediate game, it hasn't really happened yet.  I think he did a good job rebounding and defending in the paint last year though.   He's valuable but hasn't flourished at star level like his frame and physical traits suggest.

Warrior of Law

Watching him was really frustrating today.  Seemed to take some possessions off, and didn't appear to hustle in some key situations.  Turnovers were painful.  Agreed, he seems so talented, but I can't seem to figure it out.
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MuMark

Jamil has had a few bad games but lets be real here. He is shooting .506 from the floor and a fantastic .522 from 3. He is only turning it over 1.45 times a game which isn't bad.

If anything he needs to be more assertive. He passes up too many shots when he is our best offenssive option other then Gardner.

One of his turnovers today was probably more Mayo's fault for not coming to the ball.

karavotsos

I've thought 3 things about Jamil Wilson offensively that seem to be problematic:

1.  He seems to have a Dominic James type issue with his jump shot -- he has a high jump and it makes it more difficult to be consistent. He seems to jump higher when he does those mid-range shots, and it seems to effect the consistency.

2.  He shies away from contact.  JFB and Lazar were both able to score against bigger players because they would jump right into their chests and neutralize them with the contact.

3.  He doesn't seem to have a pet move, place on the floor, or play to call for him that can get him going when he's not going.  There are some shots he takes that when he takes them it appears he's thinking, 'this is a good distance from which to take a shot so I should take it,' but you can tell he's not comfortable taking the shot.  Scorers seem to have their spots on the floor, know how to get there and can hit the shot because they've hit it many times.

Even with these issues, he's pretty good.  Just believe, like others, that he can be better.  I thought he was coming off the bench to bring more offense off the bench (I know this doesn't make a ton of sense with Davante also coming off the bench) and to motivate Juan.  I don't know if this is the case though because I don't have a good handle at all on Buzz's substitution patterns yet - it would be easier to draw conclusions if he substituted more like Tom Thibodeau.

tower912

The best way I can sum up my feelings toward Jamil Wilson at this moment is to compare him to Scott Merritt.    All of the physical ability in the world, smart kid, somehow doesn't become all he should be on the floor. 
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Tugg Speedman

6'7" athlete that can run, jump and shoot better than 50% from three-point land (12-23 so far this year).  Why isn't he on the short list to succeed Crowder for BE POY?

Lazer Sound

I feel like if you look back at the player each year who we have expected to step up and lead the team to be "the guy" (as I thought Jamil would this year) for the past 4 years, its not fair to Jamil.  Each of those players had a senior leader in their junior year.  Lazar had the 3 amigos, Jimmy had Lazar, and Jae and Jimmy.  If all Jamil had to do was fill the Jimmy Butler role (from when Jimmy was a junior) I think we would be talking about this player as our glue guy. 

I'm not trying to excuse it all, but simply temper my own expectations.  I think he will continue to blossom this year and be a monster next year.  He will be in his fourth year with our team next year and I bet we are talking about him in a different way.

I have been disappointed by Jamil's inability to take over a game, Trent's tentativeness, and Jake's shooting.  I have to remind myself though that there are probably legitimate reasons for all of them.  Like what I mentioned above, playing time, or the fact that Trent Lockett is a Pac-12 spy...

JTBMU7

Quote from: AnotherMU84 on December 23, 2012, 09:43:21 AM
6'7" athlete that can run, jump and shoot better than 50% from three-point land (12-23 so far this year).  Why isn't he on the short list to succeed Crowder for BE POY?
Don't know that he can get to that level, but remember it took jae a year to get going in his role in the offense. I think he had an awful game at UW last year, like 3 pts on made fts or something, but somehow put it together down the stretch and won POY. I don't think jamil is that good, but if we're looking for optimism, there's a good chance hell improve as the season goes on and potentially get closer to the jae/zar role we all think he can fill. The fact is, he's probably more talented than those guys were, he just needs to play with more toughness and I bet he can get there.

MarquetteDano

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Quote from: Lazer Sound on December 23, 2012, 10:11:34 AM
I'm not trying to excuse it all, but simply temper my own expectations.  I think he will continue to blossom this year and be a monster next year.  He will be in his fourth year with our team next year and I bet we are talking about him in a different way.

This.  I really think if he is healthy will have a breakout Senior year.  Above a comparison to Merritt was made.  I believe he will compare to Novak (not in style in play, but the guy we knew could be great, but took his Senior year to show it).

My guess is that Wilson will be more and more key to the team as this season progresses and then has a monster season next year.

chapman

Quote from: karavotsos on December 22, 2012, 09:45:42 PM
I've thought 3 things about Jamil Wilson offensively that seem to be problematic:

2. He shies away from contact.  

This is the one that frustrates me the most.  Our star players in the past used to relish beating the crap out of the other team, and getting beat up a little bit in the process.  Jamil hasn't shown much besides a jumper, like he's auditioning for Jake Thomas' specialty shooter role rather than star of the team which we all feel he's capable of being.

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Stretchdeltsig

I think Jamil has everything - he's got all the tools - he's smart and an excellent athlete who's in great condition.  All that's missing is an "edge."  Somehow he's got to get mad or fired up to win - to take over the game.  Hopefully Buzz can figure out how to get the best out of him.

NotAnAlum

I hope most of you are right, that it is just a matter of time and he will come around.  As I remember he had a reputation when he played in High School of not playing hard all the time.  I figured that Buzz could cure that.  Some of his dumb plays come from trying to do something spectacular that will wow the crowd instead of making the simple play that will probably just result in a basket.  Finally its not that he has a "bad" attitude; but he doesn't have that killer attitude and I'm not sure you can develop that.  With most of our best players you could tell that they Hated to Lose.  Jae, Lazar, the 3 Amigos, Diener, losing was something they just couldn't abide.  Jamil kind of seems like he feels "its only a game". 

Canned Goods n Ammo

Quote from: MarquetteDano on December 23, 2012, 10:22:17 AM
This.  I really think if he is healthy will have a breakout Senior year.  Above a comparison to Merritt was made.  I believe he will compare to Novak (not in style in play, but the guy we knew could be great, but took his Senior year to show it).

My guess is that Wilson will be more and more key to the team as this season progresses and then has a monster season next year.

Yea, but Jamil is already a senior (age wise). How long does it take for him to become more than a role player?

muwarrior69

Yeah! I am somewhat disappointed in Jamil; as has been mentioned he does not like contact. The guy I am really disappointed with is Lockett. I guess my expectations for him were too high.

Dr. Blackheart

Jamil hit two clutch threes yesterday to help stem the tide...one for the four point play.  On another, he hustled after his miss to retrieve the rebound. He had a series of a couple of plays where he got a brain cramp...but some of that was miscommunication and he was avoiding foul trouble. In reality, he is playing a new role as the featured inside-outside forward...yet unlike his predecessors of Lazar, Jimmy and Jae...he is more outside...a point forward. I like his mid range and wide post game as aspects those others didn't have. Also with more minutes come BE time, he will be more featured and his natural ability will take over.  Tough match up for teams.

Silkk the Shaka

Quote from: tower912 on December 23, 2012, 08:09:06 AM
The best way I can sum up my feelings toward Jamil Wilson at this moment is to compare him to Scott Merritt.    All of the physical ability in the world, smart kid, somehow doesn't become all he should be on the floor. 

Whoah, low blow there. Jamil is already much better than Merritt's feature years, just needs to get more comfortable in his role (as it seems like virtually everyone on the squad does this year). He just needs to gain consistency. He's also only one game removed from scoring 1/3 of the team's points and being the only reason they were even in the game. I think some are correct that when he has a fire lit under him he plays better. When that guy from UWGB tried to take the ball from him at stoppage of play, Jamil looked pissed and went on a scoring rampage. If he can start harnessing that more regularly, he will be a star. Buzz has shown the ability to get that out of players. If I had to bet, he will do the same with Jamil.

tower912

I haven't given up on Jamil yet.   
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Nukem2

Quote from: tower912 on December 23, 2012, 12:24:34 PM
I haven't given up on Jamil yet.   
Yes, actually he has played well but for some Sicily passes.

Silkk the Shaka

Quote from: Nukem2 on December 23, 2012, 12:50:32 PM
Yes, actually he has played well but for some Sicily passes.

Spicy meatball tosses?

Nukem2

Quote from: Jajuannaman on December 23, 2012, 01:06:15 PM
Spicy meatball tosses?
Oops, iPad predictive spelling ......have to re-read what I type...!

muhoops1

Jamil is an athlete and a good ball player.  Stop this madness.  The team as a whole is wildly inconsistent.  Don't put this all on him. 

keefe

He will be a star and go down in the annals as one of the greats.


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