Tulane to the Big East

[Knight Commission]

Is it too late to pull the plug on lacrosse? Its a money loser and I think it would be better to move that money into bball operations to offset lost revenue (ticket revenue, credits) once defections are settled and credits slowly expire.

Increase enrollment by 25, and you almost double our TV rights revenue.

[martyconlonontherun]

Increase enrollment by 25, and you almost double our TV rights revenue.

There are variable costs associated with adding students. The extra revenue is basically straight profit from one tv contract to the next.

[Wade for President]

Tulane's last bowl game: 2002; last NCAA trip 1995; this year's home football actual attendance vs. SMU 2,119.

Sounds like a worthy addition.

[Abode4life]

Can someone explain how the new members have to be approved?  I think right now (or at least I hope) that only Uconn, Louisville, Cinci, Temple, Marquette, Georgetown, Villanova, Providence, Seton Hall, DePaul, and St. Johns can vote to allow new members.  I assume there has to be a decent percentage to get new members in, if not a unanimous vote.  Does this mean MU and all the other bball schools voted to allow Tulane and ECU in?

[mr.MUskie]

Well, now when MU signs recruits we know that playing in the top college hoops conference isn't high on their list.

The Big East is now officially a garbage league. C-USA 2.0. A random collection of ill-fitting schools that have little in common—other than the fact no other conference wants them.

Maybe we can call it the Misfit Toys League.

[Tommy Brice for Coach]

Can someone explain how the new members have to be approved?  I think right now (or at least I hope) that only Uconn, Louisville, Cinci, Temple, Marquette, Georgetown, Villanova, Providence, Seton Hall, DePaul, and St. Johns can vote to allow new members.  I assume there has to be a decent percentage to get new members in, if not a unanimous vote.  Does this mean MU and all the other bball schools voted to allow Tulane and ECU in?

I want to know this as well. If our leadership (Larry Williams?) is voting to rebuild CUSA at the expense of our relevance as a program then those people need to be relieved of their duties.

[Aughnanure]

Can someone explain how the new members have to be approved?  I think right now (or at least I hope) that only Uconn, Louisville, Cinci, Temple, Marquette, Georgetown, Villanova, Providence, Seton Hall, DePaul, and St. Johns can vote to allow new members.  I assume there has to be a decent percentage to get new members in, if not a unanimous vote.  Does this mean MU and all the other bball schools voted to allow Tulane and ECU in?

I'm not even sure Temple has full voting rights. Even if they did, that's 12 votes. Do they just need a majority? It's 5 votes with all the football members, incl Temple right now, so they'd need just 2?

God damn you ACC, just assassinate this conference now and finish the job you started!

[bradley center bat]

Tulane's last bowl game: 2002; last NCAA trip 1995; this year's home football actual attendance vs. SMU 2,119.

Sounds like a worthy addition.

How did you find that number since the box score list paid crowds. I know it's a correct number because I've flipped the channel when Tulane is on Fox College Sports.

[Groin_pull]

I'm not even sure Temple has full voting rights. Even if they did, that's 12 votes. Do they just need a majority? It's 5 votes with all the football members, incl Temple right now, so they'd need just 2?

God damn you ACC, just assassinate this conference now and finish the job you started!

However, let's not forget....if the ACC didn't grab BC and VT, MU never would have tasted the Big East.

[ATWizJr]

Might as well put the conference out of its misery.

[chapman]

I want to know this as well. If our leadership (Larry Williams?) is voting to rebuild CUSA at the expense of our relevance as a program then those people need to be relieved of their duties.

Agree.  I hope, would assume schools that haven't even been admitted can't vote in new members.  So which schools are voting for these additions?  And why are they voting now when either the UConn or Louisville vote will be nullified in a couple days anyway when they get their ACC invite?  I would believe it's Pilarz and not Larry that has the say; either way if the MU vote was a Yes we have an idiot on our hands.

God damn you ACC, just assassinate this conference now and finish the job you started!

Yes.  I'm hoping the ACC and Big 12 get a move on.  We need to follow some coattails into one of those or more likely get the basketball conference going.  For the longest time when people said MU needs to be "proactive" I said it was lunacy because there was nothing that could have been done then that wouldn't be an available option at a later date.  Now I think we've reached the point where we need to be ready to act.

[Pakuni]

Can someone explain how the new members have to be approved?  I think right now (or at least I hope) that only Uconn, Louisville, Cinci, Temple, Marquette, Georgetown, Villanova, Providence, Seton Hall, DePaul, and St. Johns can vote to allow new members.  I assume there has to be a decent percentage to get new members in, if not a unanimous vote.  Does this mean MU and all the other bball schools voted to allow Tulane and ECU in?

Scroll down this PDF to section 4.02 New Members and read the conference bylaws ... at least as they were last year. Perhaps someone with more legal training can translate better, but it appears that the football members could add new members as "a football action" without the support of the non-football programs. Of course, I could be reading that wrong.

http://news.providencejournal.com/breaking-news/2011/11/04/bigeast_v_wvu_110411.pdf

[Goose]

We have our work cut out for ourselves. Leaders lead when times are tough. We'll see what we are made of over next weeks.

[martyconlonontherun]

Could we be voting in teams just so that teams have to pay a bailout to leave? I would imagine that the football schools have legal ground to leave if they were down to six teams and couldn't form a conference?


Also, the topic of dying during a game made me come across this list:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sportspeople_who_died_during_their_careers
Some pretty insane deaths in there: electrocution, lost at sea, Russian Roulette, walking off cliff, fell out of dorm (multiple), fell of a truck......... and those are only ones in the last 10 years bee sting, baseball in-game collision, and locker room explosions were some others

[Groin_pull]

But unless other hoops schools like Villanova, Georgetown, and St Johns are willing to move, what can MU do? It's hard to get a TV contract for a one-team league.

MU can't go it alone. Unfortunately, MU's future is tied to other schools.

It's all about re-adjusting expectations. MU no longer plays in the top hoops conference in America. We, as alums and fans, need to accept this. We may also need to get used to smaller crowds, less media attention, and fewer top recruits.  

[mr.MUskie]

But unless other hoops schools like Villanova, Georgetown, and St Johns are willing to move, what can MU do? It's hard to get a TV contract for a one-team league.

MU can't go it alone. Unfortunately, MU's future is tied to other schools.

It's all about re-adjusting expectations. MU no longer plays in the top hoops conference in America. We, as alums and fans, need to accept this. We may also need to get used to smaller crowds, less media attention, and fewer top recruits.  

May as well just make bball a club sport and be done with it.

[ATWizJr]

But unless other hoops schools like Villanova, Georgetown, and St Johns are willing to move, what can MU do? It's hard to get a TV contract for a one-team league.

MU can't go it alone. Unfortunately, MU's future is tied to other schools.

It's all about re-adjusting expectations. MU no longer plays in the top hoops conference in America. We, as alums and fans, need to accept this. We may also need to get used to smaller crowds, less media attention, and fewer top recruits.  

Oh Boy!  Can't wait to adjust my expectations!  Very excited!

[ATWizJr]

I wonder what this means to Mr. Strong and to Buzz.

[mr.MUskie]

I wonder what this means to Mr. Strong and to Buzz.

It means Goodbye.

[ATWizJr]

It means Goodbye.

I think it does, eventually.

[Groin_pull]

Oh Boy!  Can't wait to adjust my expectations!  Very excited!

I know, it sucks. But I'm simply being realistic. For about eight years, MU got to sit at the adult's table in the dining room. Now, it's back to the kiddie table in the kitchen.

[RJax55]

But unless other hoops schools like Villanova, Georgetown, and St Johns are willing to move, what can MU do? It's hard to get a TV contract for a one-team league.

MU can't go it alone. Unfortunately, MU's future is tied to other schools.

Very true, but they (the only good news here) are in the same situation as MU. Do you think GT or Nova fans are happy that Tulane is joining the conference?

[Niv Berkowitz]

Unless MU re-aligns with someone better, we will once again be a mid-term stop-gap (3-6 years) for a really awesome coach. I can see Buzz being here a long time in the Big East or something high-profile like that. But now? If we are in CUSA or something? Nope. He'll be gone, top-flight recruits will be gone, and any new coach will be gone w/in 3-6 years that's really worth his salt.

We can all once again bank on having a new coach every 3-5 years who is 32-35 years old, an "up and comer" and will be called on every year.

Then again...how is this different than currently?

[madtownwarrior]

"It's all about re-adjusting expectations. MU no longer plays in the top hoops conference in America. We, as alums and fans, need to accept this. We may also need to get used to smaller crowds, less media attention, and fewer top recruits. "


So we are becoming SLU without Larry having to do a thing, damn...

[ATWizJr]

I know, it sucks. But I'm simply being realistic. For about eight years, MU got to sit at the adult's table in the dining room. Now, it's back to the kiddie table in the kitchen.

I agree, it does suck.  And, as an MU fan for 50+ years, I'm not interested in taking a step back.