Question about Mayo's Possible return

[Tugg Speedman]

Posts here say he is still on campus and has been spotted in the library.  This is all good and suggests he is trying to qualify for next semester.

Assuming he does qualify, is he eligible at the start of the next semester, as in the third week of January or, because he is already a student and completed less than 12 credits (which is supposedly the reason he is ineligible) is he eligible immediately after this semester ends in about three weeks?

[PGsHeroes32]

I'm pretty sure it is once the semester ends as ive seen that in the past, not positive though. I know forsure that it is right when the semester ends(late december) for transfers.

[Tugg Speedman]

If so, then he can get back before BE play begins on Jan 1 and even get into a few buy-in games before.

[PGsHeroes32]

Yup, but I have literally zero clue as to what the chances of him being ready by then are if he ever even plays for us again. Hope he does, but I don't know what the odds stand at right now.

[77ncaachamps]

He'd better come back.

Can you imagine how many of these will go to "waste" if he didn't?

[onepost]

I was under the impression that he'd be eligible immediately after the First Semester ended. Because he'd be registered for the NCAA minimum of 12 at that point. And yeah, we've all seen him around campus and heading to classes so that's encouraging. As has been stated here a number of times, I would have a hard time seeing Todd go to classes "just because", so the fact that he's suspended and still attending leads me to believe that he's comin' back period. And based on HH, I would only (optimistically) assume that he would be back soon.

[wadesworld]

I was under the impression that he'd be eligible immediately after the First Semester ended. Because he'd be registered for the NCAA minimum of 12 at that point. And yeah, we've all seen him around campus and heading to classes so that's encouraging. As has been stated here a number of times, I would have a hard time seeing Todd go to classes "just because", so the fact that he's suspended and still attending leads me to believe that he's comin' back period. And based on HH, I would only (optimistically) assume that he would be back soon.

Well, to be eligible to play college basketball ever again anywhere in the country he would have to be going to classes and getting on track. He can't just be suspended for academics and just go home for a remainder of the semester and then be eligible to start next semester or transfer and be eligible. So it's hard for me to put any stock into him going to classes at MU.

[Tugg Speedman]

Well, to be eligible to play college basketball ever again anywhere in the country he would have to be going to classes and getting on track. He can't just be suspended for academics and just go home for a remainder of the semester and then be eligible to start next semester or transfer and be eligible. So it's hard for me to put any stock into him going to classes at MU.

No, but he could have left and look to make money in Europe, or get a try-out with a D-league team.  For now he is not pursuing those options.  And, at 22, does he really want to transfer and play D1 until 25?

[We R Final Four]

Well, to be eligible to play college basketball ever again anywhere in the country he would have to be going to classes and getting on track. He can't just be suspended for academics and just go home for a remainder of the semester and then be eligible to start next semester or transfer and be eligible. So it's hard for me to put any stock into him going to classes at MU.

Didn't Another suggest that Mayo was spotted on campus and potentially even in the library?......I take that to mean he in fact did not go home for the remainder of a semester.

[Dawson Rental]

What I am speculating is this.  He dropped a class which means that he doesn't have enough class hours to qualify under NCAA standards.  Remaining for the semester and passing the courses he's still in with the required GPA would still leave him short of the needed credit hours, so he wouldn't be eligible at the end of the semester.

After the semester ends, he could take an intersession course.  Intercession courses are accelerated courses that meet for several hours a day during the semester break.  Provided that he passed that course, he would then have the necessary class hours to be eligible under NCAA standards, and would be eligible at the start of the second semester.

[jsglow]

What I am speculating is this.  He dropped a class which means that he doesn't have enough class hours to qualify under NCAA standards.  Remaining for the semester and passing the courses he's still in with the required GPA would still leave him short of the needed credit hours, so he wouldn't be eligible at the end of the semester.

After the semester ends, he could take an intersession course.  Intercession courses are accelerated courses that meet for several hours a day during the semester break.  Provided that he passed that course, he would then have the necessary class hours to be eligible under NCAA standards, and would be eligible at the start of the second semester.

Little, simply being down below 12 hours is reason enough.  It is pure speculation that Todd won't have made sufficient progress toward his degree to be immediately eligible following the semester.  While your theory might be true, we've not heard that directly.

By the way, I motivated jsglow jr. about his paper this weekend by indicating that his friend Steve was writing his on the 10 hour plane ride back from Maui.  Anybody that thinks basketball players don't work hard in school just doesn't understand the commitment MU has to academics.

[Dawson Rental]

Little, simply being down below 12 hours is reason enough.  It is pure speculation that Todd won't have made sufficient progress toward his degree to be immediately eligible following the semester.  While your theory might be true, we've not heard that directly.

By the way, I motivated jsglow jr. about his paper this weekend by indicating that his friend Steve was writing his on the 10 hour plane ride back from Maui.  Anybody that thinks basketball players don't work hard in school just doesn't understand the commitment MU has to academics.

You are quite correct that it is pure speculation that Todd won't have made sufficient progress toward his degree to be immediately eligible following the semester.  Here's the basis for my speculation.  What we know is that Todd was eligible at the start of the first semester, then in mid-semester, he wasn't eligible.  People in the know seemed to believe that mid term grades won't cause a player to become ineligible.  At least by the NCAA which is reported the standards that led to Todd's ineligibility.  So, Todd was thought to be ineligible for not carrying enough credit hours after dropping a class.  If that is indeed the case, then he cannot become eligible by the end of the semester, unless he came up with some way to increase the hours he will complete by adding something more than half way though the semester.  I don't know of any way he could have done that.

[jsglow]

What you say is true.  What can't be known is if Todd was progressing beyond the bare minimum on a cumulative basis.  Just to be extreme and make a point, he could have carried 18 last Spring.  Also, I wonder if registering for 15 in the Spring would immediate get him 'on pace'.

But everything I've heard is that needing to drop a class might have been the trigger.  I've purposefully decided not to press for info because it's really not my business.  Anyway, my sincere hope is that he's busting his butt in Raynor because in the long run, that's what really matters.

[77ncaachamps]

You think Jae would know (what Todd is up to) since Todd's bro is his teammate?

[Dawson Rental]

You think Jae would know (what Todd is up to) since Todd's bro is his teammate?

It's probably more likely that he knows because he still talks/texts with old teammates at MU.

[unforgiven]

his friend Steve

Taylor? Or Cottingham?

[NavinRJohnson]

Has it even been established by what standard he is ineligible...NCAA or Is this a team/MU suspension? I admittedly have not read everything, but I have not seen anyone actaually say it is due to NCAA requirements. If it isn't, obviously, he could theoretically be back today.

[GGGG]

Word is that he isn't enrolled the NCAA required 12 credits.  Therefore he isn't eligible to play at least until the end of the semester.

[MerrittsMustache]

Word is that he isn't enrolled the NCAA required 12 credits.  Therefore he isn't eligible to play at least until the end of the semester.

End of the semester (mid-Dec) as opposed to beginning of the next semester (mid-Jan)? Or does second semester technically begin as soon as first semester ends?

[Tugg Speedman]

End of the semester (mid-Dec) as opposed to beginning of the next semester (mid-Jan)? Or does second semester technically begin as soon as first semester ends?

Yes, this is the question.  Rumor is he dropped a class that took him under 12 credits making him ineligible.  So the Saturday after finals is he eligible to play (assuming he qualifies again) which, I believe, is two weeks from this Saturday?  Or is he eligible the first day (Monday) of the next semester in mid-January?



Bonus question, if he is eligible two weeks from Saturday, which guard play first, Mayo or Vander?

[jsglow]

Taylor? Or Cottingham?

Taylor Jr.

[GGGG]

End of the semester (mid-Dec) as opposed to beginning of the next semester (mid-Jan)? Or does second semester technically begin as soon as first semester ends?

I don't know the answer to that.

[brewcity77]

Bonus question, if he is eligible two weeks from Saturday, which guard play first, Mayo or Vander?

Seems assuredly Vander. He's a junior, has already started for 2 years, and has been present for everything this year. I can't imagine missing practice and games, regardless of the circumstance, would move Todd up the depth chart.

[Tugg Speedman]

Seems assuredly Vander. He's a junior, has already started for 2 years, and has been present for everything this year. I can't imagine missing practice and games, regardless of the circumstance, would move Todd up the depth chart.

I meant does Vander injury hold him out for more than two weeks meaning Mayo becomes eligible to play and sees action before Vander returns.

[Benny B]

"In Division I, student-athletes must complete 40 percent of the coursework required for a degree by the end of their second year. They must complete 60 percent by the end of their third year and 80 percent by the end of their fourth year. Student-athletes are allowed five years to graduate while receiving athletically related financial aid. All Division I student-athletes must earn at least six credit hours each term to be eligible for the following term and must meet minimum grade-point average requirements that are related to an institution's own GPA standards for graduation."
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Eligibility/Remaining+Eligible/Academics

MU requires 128 credits to graduate, so Todd only needs to have 52 credits by the end of 2012-13 to be eligible.  There does not appear to be any interim requirements (i.e. 26 credits by end of the first year, 39 credits by end of Fall 2012 semester, etc.) set by the NCAA until you reach the end of your second year, so total number of credit hours earned (40/60/80 Rule) isn't what is making Todd ineligible; however D-I does requires "progress-toward-degree," i.e. you must be enrolled a minimum number of credit hours to be considered a full-time student by your institution (12 for undergrads at MU).

In short, if you can answer yes to each of the following questions, you're eligible:

1) If you've completed your second/third/fourth year, have you earned 52/77/103 credit hours, respectively?
2) Did you earn at least six credit hours in the previous term?
3) Is your GPA at or above your institution's minimum requirements?
4) Are you currently enrolled for 12 credit hours?

Assuming the consensus opinion that Todd is ineligible as a result of #4 above, as long as he earns 6 credit hours each semester for the first two years and maintains MU's GPA requirements, he is eligible for the next term.

"Term" is also defined by the institution.  Session 1 (fall semester) at Marquette ends 12/15/12 and Session 7 (spring semester) begins 12/17/12.  Therefore, assuming that Todd earns six credits this semester, keeps his GPA over MU's threshold, (EDIT) and enrolls in 12 credits for the spring semester  Todd will be eligible on 12/17/12, making him available - at the earliest - for UWGB.