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ecompt

why didn't Jamil stay on D on Clarke in the final seconds? It's like he had him for a second at midcourt and then passed him off to DWil. Can't believe Buzz wanted the shorter Wilson on Clarke after Jamil had guarded him the previous possession? Of course, if we had stopped Butler on any of its previous five trips, it wouldn't have mattered.

mu ricer22

I agree completely since guarding the 3pt was more important than guarding the 2pt only to force OT. Also no help from other defenders guarding down low who were only guarding the 2pt shot. Jamil should of stayed on him or someone else should of come to trap.
MU knew Clarke was Butler's "shooter" and should of known he was taking the last shot.

Dwil did stay tight with Clarke but I guess you can never predict the luckiest buzzer beater ever.

Overall a weird sequence in the last minute including the fact that Junior and DWil in at the same time. (For defense purposes?)

FWIW if Jake doesn't shoot right off that rim bounce the shot clock turns off and we can reset. I can see it as second nature to go right back up with it but not if it hits the rim.  Either way that was an amazing 3pt play by Jake.


GTST

MUfan12

Was wondering that myself... what I can come up with is Jamil didn't want to sellout completely on Clarke at halfcourt, because Marshall would have been open at the top of the key. It wasn't until Clarke went near the sideline that Jamil came all the way over. Unfortunately, a step late.

Derrick defended that beautifully. It was a total prayer. Just wish they woulda hit another FT or two, or gotten a stop in the last 8 minutes so it wouldn't have come to that.

Dr. Blackheart

Sorry but Derek did not play it beautifully but Jamil did.  Derek did not bracket him and allowed Clarke to cut back to his right for the runner.  Derek has to push him left into Jamil as he was doing. Unfortunately he let him slip by.  See UNC game under Majerus.  Derek will learn.

MUHoopsFan2

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on November 20, 2012, 02:05:31 AM
Sorry but Derek did not play it beautifully but Jamil did.  Derek did not bracket him and allowed Clarke to cut back to his right for the runner.  Derek has to push him left into Jamil as he was doing. Unfortunately he let him slip by.  See UNC game under Majerus.  Derek will learn.
No no no...Derek played it correctly. Stop looking for a mistake. There was none. Derek was right on the side of him and he flung it...and it went in. Tip your hat and walk away...

MUHoopsFan2

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on November 20, 2012, 02:05:31 AM
Sorry but Derek did not play it beautifully but Jamil did.  Derek did not bracket him and allowed Clarke to cut back to his right for the runner.  Derek has to push him left into Jamil as he was doing. Unfortunately he let him slip by.  See UNC game under Majerus.  Derek will learn.
What do you mean let him slip by?? No he didn't he pushed or funneled him away from the basket what are you talking about?

He just chucked it from 30 feet! You are hunting for something that is not there.

You seem to be crying and trying to point blame for the shot and attempting to convince us all to do the same or think you see something no one else does. 

I saw a perfectly guarded and defended possession turn into a circus shot that kid wouldn't hit if he shot it tommorrow 100 times defended like that.

CTWarrior

Quote from: ecompt on November 19, 2012, 10:56:10 PM
why didn't Jamil stay on D on Clarke in the final seconds? It's like he had him for a second at midcourt and then passed him off to DWil. Can't believe Buzz wanted the shorter Wilson on Clarke after Jamil had guarded him the previous possession? Of course, if we had stopped Butler on any of its previous five TEN trips, it wouldn't have mattered.

Corrected
Calvin:  I'm a genius.  But I'm a misunderstood genius. 
Hobbes:  What's misunderstood about you?
Calvin:  Nobody thinks I'm a genius.

Canned Goods n Ammo

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on November 20, 2012, 02:05:31 AM
Sorry but Derek did not play it beautifully but Jamil did.  Derek did not bracket him and allowed Clarke to cut back to his right for the runner.  Derek has to push him left into Jamil as he was doing. Unfortunately he let him slip by.  See UNC game under Majerus.  Derek will learn.

If you try to push him back into Jamil, Clarke might be able to quickly split the double and get a decent look from about 35ft.

I'm not saying Wilson was perfect, but Clarke hit a contested, miracle 3pter. I can't blame Wilson.

Hards Alumni

Are we really discussing this?  Clarke hit a fade away 35 foot luck shot out of his ass with Derek Wilson in his face.

You guys just need to accept the fact that this is CBB and sometimes bullshit lands in the basket.

MerrittsMustache

Quote from: Guns n Ammo on November 20, 2012, 07:43:55 AM
If you try to push him back into Jamil, Clarke might be able to quickly split the double and get a decent look from about 35ft.

I'm not saying Wilson was perfect, but Clarke hit a contested, miracle 3pter. I can't blame Wilson.

Exactly. If you force an opposing player to shoot a one-handed, 30+ footer while falling away, you've done just about all you can do. 

Clam Crowder

In the end it was a miracle shot that made most of us feel quite depressed. If we hit more free throws it wouldn't have mattered.

frozena pizza

Jamil did his job by turning Clarke as he crossed half court.  The only possible critique would be trying to force him back to his left, although this gets more complicated and you run the risk of fouling or having to rotate over another player leaving someone open cutting to the basket, which is unacceptable since we were only up by 2.  Overall I would not have changed anything about how we played that sequence.  Kid just hit a crazy shot.

brewcity77

Quote from: Clam Crowder on November 20, 2012, 08:25:45 AM
In the end it was a miracle shot that made most of us feel quite depressed. If we hit more free throws it wouldn't have mattered.

I'd lean toward the "defended the paint effectively" instead of FTs (we shot a better clip than BU) but regardless, miracle shot. Faulting the team for defending that puke shot makes no sense to me.

Hards Alumni

Quote from: frozena pizza on November 20, 2012, 08:59:09 AM
Jamil did his job by turning Clarke as he crossed half court.  The only possible critique would be trying to force him back to his left, although this gets more complicated and you run the risk of fouling or having to rotate over another player leaving someone open cutting to the basket, which is unacceptable since we were only up by 2.  Overall I would not have changed anything about how we played that sequence.  Kid just hit a crazy shot.

Exactly, 99/100 times that shot misses and 90 of those times he doesn't even catch the rim.

esotericmindguy

Quote from: MUHoopsFan2 on November 20, 2012, 03:43:57 AM
No no no...Derek played it correctly. Stop looking for a mistake. There was none. Derek was right on the side of him and he flung it...and it went in. Tip your hat and walk away...

No sh*t, the guy hits a 1 in 100 shot and you blame the defense? It was great defense by Wilson forcing him into such a tough shot...when they rebounded the ball there was 7 seconds and he was only able to get 26 feet from the basket. Gotta make free throws. Should have inbounded to Thomas.

NersEllenson

Actually, Derrick Wilson's defense on that play was too good for my liking - though he put himself in a stupid position to pick up a foul...defended it way too tight for my liking.  It was a miracle shot.  Crap happens....the worst part about it?  All the post game talk by Pearl and Greenburg about "The Butler Way."  Shut up already...or are you just saying the Butler was is to throw up a hope and a prayer and win on a fluke shot??  He misses it and nobody is talking about the gay Butler way (whatever that is).
"I'm not sure Cadougan would fix the problems on this team. I'm not even convinced he would be better for this team than DeWil is."

BrewCity77, December 8, 2013

MileHigh

I did feel like the broadcast was a little too much about Butler this, Butler that...I was getting slightly annoyed.  Two programs, two young good coaches, but the announcers kept talking how tough Butler was in the fist fight, exchanging punches, playing through contact, etc...

Even the Butler fans at work admitted today, it was a 1 in a million shot.  They also agree that the Butler Way gets rolled by the Tar Heels tonight.

4everwarriors

They've earned the pub due to a couple of Final Fours.
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

frozena pizza

I thought the announcers also gave Marquette a lot of credit for being tough, athletic, well coached.

Dr. Blackheart

Quote from: frozena pizza on November 20, 2012, 08:59:09 AM
Jamil did his job by turning Clarke as he crossed half court.  The only possible critique would be trying to force him back to his left, although this gets more complicated and you run the risk of fouling or having to rotate over another player leaving someone open cutting to the basket, which is unacceptable since we were only up by 2.  Overall I would not have changed anything about how we played that sequence.  Kid just hit a crazy shot.
Exactly.  The original premise was Jamil disappeared.  How the play is designed technically was Derek has to bracket the right handed dribbler to his left away from his shooting hand right and wasting precious seconds.  Clarke slipped through right and got the toss off.  But Jamil was exactly where he was supposed to be.  And Clarke slipped through and made a great shot running with the momentum of his shooting hand right.

This is exactly how MU lost other notable heartbreakers to Georgetown under Crean and UNC under Majerus.

bilsu

Maybe I am just old, but some games just seem like the outcome is destined to happen. There is no way that one handed three point shot should of went in, but it did. To me we were destined to lose this game just like Washington was destined to lose to us last year. It would not of mattered who covered who or which Butler player took the last shot.

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