Anyone else concerned with Vander?

[KenoshaWarrior]

Saw nothing from him that makes me think that this year will be any different.  He needs to get more confident and just attack.

[ecompt]

Until he can consistently hit from 12 feet and out, what you see is what you get from him. Don't think he will ever be a real threat offensively because he simply can't shoot.

[GGGG]

It was the first game and let's be careful to make too many assumptions either positive or negative.

[KenoshaWarrior]

It was the first game and let's be careful to make too many assumptions either positive or negative.

Point well taken.

Guess I was just really hoping to watch Vander and his inability to shoot is almost baffling

[AirPunches]

I'm not concerned. Same ole Vander. Decent college player who is a good defender, great athlete, and marginal offense player. I am concerned, however, (if what some on here are saying) that he has aspirations to play pro ball next year. I think he will be disappointed on that front.

[esotericmindguy]

Saw nothing from him that makes me think that this year will be any different.  He needs to get more confident and just attack.

He's just not that good, it's pretty plain and simple. He never has been. He's going to board, play solid defense and hustle but expect very little on the offensive side. Even when he scores all his points come in transition. I don't think that will change.

[Mutaman]

Saw nothing from him that makes me think that this year will be any different.  He needs to get more confident and just attack.

Any different from what? He made solid improvements last year and if he does the same this year we should all be happy. Looks to me like he's really matured. He took what he was given and didn't try to force anything. It was the first game, nothing to complain about.

[Knight Commission]

I'm not concerned. Same ole Vander. Decent college player who is a good defender, great athlete, and marginal offense player. I am concerned, however, (if what some on here are saying) that he has aspirations to play pro ball next year. I think he will be disappointed on that front.

In one of his few dribble drives he got fouled and failed to finish the shot.same ole.  Had no coordination on the shot. Watch out Junior, Wilson looks tough

[Mutaman]

He's going to board, play solid defense and hustle but expect very little on the offensive side. Even when he scores all his points come in transition.

Sounds pretty good to me.

[GGGG]

He's just not that good, it's pretty plain and simple. He never has been. He's going to board, play solid defense and hustle but expect very little on the offensive side. Even when he scores all his points come in transition. I don't think that will change.

<sigh>

Here we go again.  You say he's "going to board, play solid defense and hustle," but he's "not that good?"

Last I checked, rebounding and defense are part of basketball.   Oh, and so is scoring in transition.

[lab_warrior]

NOPE.

[Brewtown Andy]

NOPE.

Nailed it.

[brewcity77]

NOPE.

I believe that'd make this a +2.

Some people are going to hate on Vander regardless. He has an off night, he's an awful player. If he had went for 23/7/5, he's an awful player that can only rack up stats against Colgate. All the Vander hate is really annoying. Hard-working kid who has only improved and been willing to play within the system.

[jeffreyweee]

Not even a little worried.

[Marqevans]

Vander will be fine! No worrys!

[ErickJD08]

Until he can consistently hit from 12 feet and out, what you see is what you get from him. Don't think he will ever be a real threat offensively because he simply can't shoot.

He needs to get more consistent within 12 feet. He still blows layups.

[lab_warrior]

My only wish is I could actually scream this into a loudspeaker directly into Kenosha's ear, making his vacant, helium-filled head actually explode. 

Someday, hopefully folks will find the other 7/8 of Kenosha's extensively lobotomized brain.

[Real Chilly Podcast]

My only wish is I could actually scream this into a loudspeaker directly into Kenosha's ear, making his vacant, helium-filled head actually explode. 

Someday, hopefully folks will find the other 7/8 of Kenosha's extensively lobotomized brain.

took the words right out of my beak

[Sharpie]

No concern with Vander on my end. I'll stand by my word that I believe he will have a very very good year.

Some people on this board are pathetic. Don't really need to name names.

[esotericmindguy]

<sigh>

Here we go again.  You say he's "going to board, play solid defense and hustle," but he's "not that good?"

Last I checked, rebounding and defense are part of basketball.   Oh, and so is scoring in transition.

Right, he's an average big east player. 8 points 4.5 rebounds with 40% shooting. When you're SOLID at certain aspects of the game and poor at others that makes you average in my opinion. He's a liability on the offensive end, especially considering Marquette's point gaurd situation. Personally, I don't think he's as great of a defender as others on this board. With Lockett assuming the 3 we have two guards who cannot score on consistent basis. Sigh all you want, just stating my opinion. So am I concerned? No, this is the same player Marquette has dealt with since he's been there.

[Knight Commission]

No concern with Vander on my end. I'll stand by my word that I believe he will have a very very good year.

Some people on this board are pathetic. Don't really need to name names.

How noble of you. But there is no denying that he sucked against Colgate.

[GGGG]

Right, he's an average big east player. 8 points 4.5 rebounds with 40% shooting. When you're SOLID at certain aspects of the game and poor at others that makes you average in my opinion. He's a liability on the offensive end, especially considering Marquette's point gaurd situation. Personally, I don't think he's as great of a defender as others on this board. With Lockett assuming the 3 we have two guards who cannot score on consistent basis. Sigh all you want, just stating my opinion. So am I concerned? No, this is the same player Marquette has dealt with since he's been there.

The only thing your opinion tell me, as in years past, is that you know very little about the game of basketball.  You admitted that Blue rebounds well, plays defense, and scores in transition, but say "He's just not that good...He never has been."

That is an absurd statement.  Completely absurd.  Especially since you freely admit that he does most things well.  (Except for your backtracking on his defense...which frankly shows you know even less than I thought you did prior to making that post.)

How noble of you. But there is no denying that he sucked against Colgate.

Cool....but that wasn't the question asked.  I think making assumptions positive or negative after one game are dumb.  Seriously, we had a poster gushing over Ferguson in one thread.  Really? 

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

With Lockett assuming the 3 we have two guards who cannot score on consistent basis.

Do you want me to look up stats to prove you wrong, or do you just want to retract your statement that Lockett can't score?

[Knight Commission]

The only thing your opinion tell me, as in years past, is that you know very little about the game of basketball.  You admitted that Blue rebounds well, plays defense, and scores in transition, but say "He's just not that good...He never has been."

That is an absurd statement.  Completely absurd.  Especially since you freely admit that he does most things well.  (Except for your backtracking on his defense...which frankly shows you know even less than I thought you did prior to making that post.)



Cool....but that wasn't the question asked.  I think making assumptions positive or negative after one game are dumb.  Seriously, we had a poster gushing over Ferguson in one thread.  Really?  

wrong. The question was whether there is reason to be concerned about Vander. After tonight's performance against Colgate the answer is yes, there is reason to be concerned. Let's hope we are wrong,

[Hards Alumni]

Lets just judge a player on one game against a nobody opponent where everyone got minutes and the offense never really played as they would in a 'real' game.