MU, UW lead for Diamond Stone

[Bocephys]

+1. If there was any question whether TheEquilizer was a troll it is now answered.

Just because he didn't immediately remember the odd way Dwyane Wade spells his name doesn't mean he's a troll.

[jmayer1]

Under this theory Trevor Powell had a bigger impact at MU over his career than Dwayne Wade.

What theory? Want to change the goalposts a little more? You're the one that brought up value add, to make this a pure numbers debate. How does a qualitative measure of "impact" factor into that.

This is the original post:

no way his freshman year has as much impact as gardner, who should be our best player this year depending on who breaks out.  he would literally have to be close to anthony davis as a freshman to compare to gardner's career, but obviously his upside could give him a much greater season than gardner's best season.

This is your nonsensical followup, where you twist Bama's point:

I know you're high on Gardner, but Gardner's ValueAdd is projected to be 4.87 this year, and 5.54 in 2014.  That's very good, but a lot closer to Otto Porter's frosh neighborhood (6.08) than Davis' (12.35).

It's not my fault you can comprehend. We are comparing Gardner's total career projected value add to Stone's freshman season projected value add. Any other discussion of "impact" is off the mark. I'm done with this argument. Either you are too ignorant or too stubborn to admit you were wrong in your original reply.

[Stretchdeltsig]

Where are the editors for this board?

[The Equalizer]

What theory? Want to change the goalposts a little more? You're the one that brought up value add, to make this a pure numbers debate. How does a qualitative measure of "impact" factor into that.

This is the original post:

This is your nonsensical followup, where you twist Bama's point:

It's not my fault you can comprehend. We are comparing Gardner's total career projected value add to Stone's freshman season projected value add. Any other discussion of "impact" is off the mark. I'm done with this argument. Either you are too ignorant or too stubborn to admit you were wrong in your original reply.

Perhaps you should let 'bama speak for himself.  The last comment I made regarding ValueAdd he repsonded that I made "an excellent, excellent point" and revised (and improved) his forumula for projecting the total team value in future years.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=33707.0

In this case, I don't think its appropriate to simply 'add toghether' multiple years to determine the total "impact" of a player's career.  Thats not "moving the goalpost" or "lacking comprehsion" as you put it.  Its disagreeing with the underlying premise.

My opinion is that if Gardner never achieves better than 5.54, then Porter has already had a greater impact in one season at Georgetown than Gardner will over his career at MU.  My opinion.  You don't have to agree. 

But the only one lacking comprehension here is you, given that you can't grasp that these are two different OPINIONS on how to value the career of a four-year player like Gardner versus a one-and-done or two-and-done player.   

If your point (and his) is that you can simply add a player's ValueAdd together across multiple years to calculate an overall "impact" then I think you (and he) are wrong, and I'll cite the Porter/Gardner (and Wade/Powell) comparisions as examples.

[JakeBarnes]

I hope we "value add" him with a LOI.

[GGGG]

Where are the editors for this board?

This board has editors???

[Lennys Tap]

Anyone who thinks a one and done 6.08 guy is more impactful than a 4 year contributor with a single year high of 5.54 has a very uninformed opinion.

[rocky_warrior]

This board has editors???

Yeah, I'm not exactly sure what Jim is requesting.

[Dawson Rental]

Yeah, I'm not exactly sure what Jim is requesting.

A banning for himself, of course.

[slingkong]

My opinion is that if Gardner never achieves better than 5.54, then Porter has already had a greater impact in one season at Georgetown than Gardner will over his career at MU.

Not agreeing or disagreeing with anyone re. value add because I haven't read enough about it to know how it works.  But, how about if you put it this way:  Your opinion is that if Gardner never achieves better than 5.54, then Porter had a greater impact in his only season at Georgetown, with a 6.08 (or whatever it was), than Gardner had in any of his seasons at MU.

I guess that would prove your point that Porter's first season was better than any season Gardner has had or is likely to have at MU.  I don't eve know if that's what you're arguing, though.  What's more, who gives crap?

[martyconlonontherun]

Anyone who thinks a one and done 6.08 guy is more impactful than a 4 year contributor with a single year high of 5.54 has a very uninformed opinion.

You are not counting in opportunity costs. If you get a 1&done guy, you have 3 years of another recruit(s).

Let's look at gardner as a senior vs the former 1-2 players in the nation. I'll say who I would pick for overall impact:
Davis: Davis hands down and it isn't even close.
Drummond: 10/8/3 as a Frosh Gardner has a better career.
Barnes: 16/6 as a Frosh. Stayed a 2nd year. I would rather have Barnes than Gardner
Sullinger: 17/10 as a Frosh. Stayed a 2nd year. Sullinger's career beats Gardner's.
Favors: 12/8 as a Frosh. Gardner has a better career.
Bradley: 11/3 as a Frosh. Gardner has the better career.

So based on overall impact, 3 players had a bigger impact than Gardner will in his whole career, IMO. There is always a chance a 1-Done player stays for a second year. Not to mention all the prestige and coverage that comes with top recruit.

[Wade for President]

Has anybody heard anything about Stone attending tonight?

[Pakuni]

Has anybody heard anything about Stone attending tonight?

Yes. He'll reportedly be there, with fellow Milwaukee-area players Wilson, Burton, McKay and TJ Schlundt.

[Goose]

I am dying to get a one and done. Hoping Stone is our first.