Who is Next?

[GGGG]

I wouldn't expect those who work in PR departments at universities, to have an understanding of being a salesman - which is basically what coaches are.  When a very successful salesperson suddenly becomes micro-managed, publicly reprimanded by a new management team - it is quite easy for one's attitude and enthusiasm to be affected.

You've got to be all in to compete in the competitive world of business and high major hoops - having your happy messed with is not a good thing.  And I do LOL at PR spin doctors who have zero responsibility for generating revenue or being measured in a tangible, quantifiable way to understand what it takes to get up and grind, sell, sell and sell, every day...with your livelihood dependent upon your ability to produce.

Yes....us marketers have no idea what it is like to sell.  

And once again, I point out that you decide to make it personal.

[BCHoopster]

Buzz makes more money than he ever thought imaginable, I am positive he works harder than anybody who wastes there time on this board, or any board.  He has a $1M or so budget
for recruiting, life for him can not be any better.  Losing out on a 17 year old kid, c'mon man, I am sure he can handle it and gets up the next day with a smile on his face, especially when
he gets his check for the month, probably $140k to $150K.  I think he is worrying more about his own kids.

[Earl Tatum]

Have a MU Coach sit on the front porch of Stone and Looney and keep on tweeting.

[Earl Tatum]

Washington committed to N.C.State

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

I wouldn't expect those who work in PR departments at universities, to have an understanding of being a salesman - which is basically what coaches are.  When a very successful salesperson suddenly becomes micro-managed, publicly reprimanded by a new management team - it is quite easy for one's attitude and enthusiasm to be affected.

You've got to be all in to compete in the competitive world of business and high major hoops - having your happy messed with is not a good thing.  And I do LOL at PR spin doctors who have zero responsibility for generating revenue or being measured in a tangible, quantifiable way to understand what it takes to get up and grind, sell, sell and sell, every day...with your livelihood dependent upon your ability to produce.

But hey, whatever fits your head in the sand narrative.

Doesn't this seem like a stretch?

MU loses out on some recruits in a highly competitive market, and somehow it's because of Larry Williams?

[NersEllenson]

Yes....us marketers have no idea what it is like to sell.  

And once again, I point out that you decide to make it personal.

Sorry Sultan, but PR and marketing people aren't sales people....you have no quota.  Buzz has wins and losses...very bottom line business.  If you start making it harder for a sales guy to succeed - or try to change the successful sales guy's way of getting the job done..particularly when the people trying to orchestrate the change have never been "salespeople" - the typical sales guy goes elsewhere - because he's annoyed - yet also a valuable and coveted commodity by other "companies." 

Buzz has rough edges, and the administration wants to help him be a better coach.  Pretty pompous considering the guy has led the team to back to back Sweet 16s for the first time in 35+ years.

Of course Buzz is still trying to recruit and sign the best available talent - yet it is also entirely conceivable that his passion, conviction and commitment to Marquette don't come across as genuine or intense as they once did.  Of course no school not named Kentucky, UNC, or Duke signs every player it targets...so we are going to get turned down a lot more than we are told yes...however, I'm just pointing out that we may* be seeing some cause/effect taking place.

[brewcity77]

*Sighs*

I could deconstruct that, but why? This is already so twisted, looking at every possible negative and blowing it out of proportion. Ners, clearly you live in your own wonderland.

[79Warrior]

Sorry Sultan, but PR and marketing people aren't sales people....you have no quota.  Buzz has wins and losses...very bottom line business.  If you start making it harder for a sales guy to succeed - or try to change the successful sales guy's way of getting the job done..particularly when the people trying to orchestrate the change have never been "salespeople" - the typical sales guy goes elsewhere - because he's annoyed - yet also a valuable and coveted commodity by other "companies." 

Buzz has rough edges, and the administration wants to help him be a better coach.  Pretty pompous considering the guy has led the team to back to back Sweet 16s for the first time in 35+ years.

Of course Buzz is still trying to recruit and sign the best available talent - yet it is also entirely conceivable that his passion, conviction and commitment to Marquette don't come across as genuine or intense as they once did.  Of course no school not named Kentucky, UNC, or Duke signs every player it targets...so we are going to get turned down a lot more than we are told yes...however, I'm just pointing out that we may* be seeing some cause/effect taking place.

I am more inclined to believe the watering down of the BE is a negative.

[Dawson Rental]

I am more inclined to believe the watering down of the BE is a negative.

Memphis has signed some pretty good classes as the lone national program in CUSA.  I'm more inclined to think that losing all three assistant coaches in the same off season was the biggest blow.  "Wait, whose keeping in touch with <whomever> now?"

[brewcity77]

Ners, honest question: do you think Buzz is mailing it in because he isn't landing these recruits? That's the impression I get, that his effort is waning because of LW.

If the answer is yes, how do you reconcile that effectively the same exact thing happened in recent years resulting in Buzz landing Gardner and Mayo, who seem to be your two favorite players in the program right now?

What is different about Buzz missing out on September top-100 players in 2009 and 2010 and settling for 3-stars in 2010 and 2011, respectively? If we miss on Embiid and Patterson, instead settling for 3-star players, does that show his fire has been squelched by LW, or that he's still savvy and resourceful, finding the prospects others missed?

[Dr. Blackheart]

Ostriches or Tin Foilers, either one, please send Corey a Christmas card. 

[LloydMooresLegs]

I'm more inclined to think that losing all three assistant coaches in the same off season was the biggest blow.  "Wait, whose keeping in touch with <whomever> now?"

This.   And Buzz is not necessarily done yet, whether a 2013 or a mid-season xfer. 

[GGGG]

Doesn't this seem like a stretch?

Welcome Guns...you must be new here!!!  Let me introduce you to Ners....

[lab_warrior]

*Sighs*

I could deconstruct that, but why? This is already so twisted, looking at every possible negative and blowing it out of proportion. Ners, clearly you live in your own wonderland.

So, if I can wrap my head around this most recent bats*** idea--basically it's the return to the theme/theory of "bizarro Buzz", that seems to exist only in the most fevered minds of a few posters; the self-appointed experts, Monday morning QBs, and ombudsmen on public relations, journalism, being an athletic director, broadcasting, sales, coaching, recruiting, and psychology. 

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Bizarro Buzz Williams is such a callow, thin skinned, egotist that two comments in a JS article by his boss have him running, crying to a "blogger" and other big mouth "sources" about not being happy, but never having the guts to be directly quoted as such. 

Bizarro Buzz apparently was going to jump ship to a gigantic skidmark of a basketball program, presumably for a few more dollars, but mostly for spite; is suddenly depressed that he can't recruit JUCOS anymore, due to an AD edict (except for Jameel McKay, who committed in June... ) and dear sweet Jesus clutching pearls, all hell will break loose, everyone will transfer and decommit (one of each) because of a miniscule GPA increase that SOMEHOW will be ex post facto applied to players academic eligibility (Todd Mayo still on roster), all the while herding the players away from Humphrey to "slum it" in Tower Hall, Bataan Death March style.  In addition, lying about a recruiting violation, repeatedly, no matter how miniscule, should totally be glossed over, that is the most honest and honorable way to handle that, for sure. 

So now, apparently Bizarro Buzz is so butthurt by the administration that he purposely mails it in during recruiting visits, in order to tank a recruiting class (which already includes Burton, McKay, and Wilson)...for spite.   OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOkay.

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Now, I only got an A in my Intro to Psych class, so hopefully that makes me as much of an expert on that as others on this board, who I assume have VAST experience in coaching, journalism, athletics, etc.  But to me, the folks who think that THAT Buzz Williams, BIZARRO Buzz, exists, are as demented as a guy talking to a chair on national television.  Also, this construction of Bizarro Buzz is pretty classic, textbook projection.

[Hards Alumni]

Can we just start calling him Nerstrodomus since he knows all but reveals little?

[GGGG]

I think that post by lab_warrior, complete with the Eastwood pic, is the best thing I have ever read on Scoop.

And while I think there are more issues than he is acknowledging, it still is humorous....

[real chili 83]

Labs definitely gets an "A" for effort. 

[NersEllenson]

Can we just start calling him Nerstrodomus since he knows all but reveals little?

Well played Hards!  Kudos

[NersEllenson]

So, if I can wrap my head around this most recent bats*** idea--basically it's the return to the theme/theory of "bizarro Buzz", that seems to exist only in the most fevered minds of a few posters; the self-appointed experts, Monday morning QBs, and ombudsmen on public relations, journalism, being an athletic director, broadcasting, sales, coaching, recruiting, and psychology. 

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Bizarro Buzz Williams is such a callow, thin skinned, egotist that two comments in a JS article by his boss have him running, crying to a "blogger" and other big mouth "sources" about not being happy, but never having the guts to be directly quoted as such. 

Bizarro Buzz apparently was going to jump ship to a gigantic skidmark of a basketball program, presumably for a few more dollars, but mostly for spite; is suddenly depressed that he can't recruit JUCOS anymore, due to an AD edict (except for Jameel McKay, who committed in June... ) and dear sweet Jesus clutching pearls, all hell will break loose, everyone will transfer and decommit (one of each) because of a miniscule GPA increase that SOMEHOW will be ex post facto applied to players academic eligibility (Todd Mayo still on roster), all the while herding the players away from Humphrey to "slum it" in Tower Hall, Bataan Death March style.  In addition, lying about a recruiting violation, repeatedly, no matter how miniscule, should totally be glossed over, that is the most honest and honorable way to handle that, for sure. 

So now, apparently Bizarro Buzz is so butthurt by the administration that he purposely mails it in during recruiting visits, in order to tank a recruiting class (which already includes Burton, McKay, and Wilson)...for spite.   OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOkay.

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Now, I only got an A in my Intro to Psych class, so hopefully that makes me as much of an expert on that as others on this board, who I assume have VAST experience in coaching, journalism, athletics, etc.  But to me, the folks who think that THAT Buzz Williams, BIZARRO Buzz, exists, are as demented as a guy talking to a chair on national television.  Also, this construction of Bizarro Buzz is pretty classic, textbook projection.

And you are about as pompous, arrogant and ignorant as the remarks Larry Williams made.  Though I  HIGHLY doubt you have ever been in any kind of leadership/managerial position - in the highly unlikely event you have been - there is no doubt the people under your charge hate working underneath you.  Furthermore, though you claim to have gotten an A in your Intro to Psych class  - seems you failed to learn the basic principle that people are motivated far more when appreciated, and supported, than when criticized publicly...particularly when the person doing the criticizing has little to no credibility to do so...and never walked a day in your shoes. 

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

...people are motivated far more when appreciated, and supported, than when criticized publicly...particularly when the person doing the criticizing has little to no credibility to do so...and never walked a day in your shoes. 

This isn't accurate.

- Devante Gardner and Juan Anderson are better basketball players than Buzz Williams ever will be.
- Buzz never played D1 hoops (never walked in their shoes)
- Buzz was/is critical of their abilities to play basketball. (criticizes them in public)

I assume Buzz is critical because he's very honest with his players and he's trying to make them better.

This is a type of motivational technique/honesty that Buzz regularly employs.


Now, with this said, this type of motivational tactic might not be appropriate for LW and BW. That's fine, and that's something that can be debated.

But, let's not make blanket statements and pretend like LW is automatically a bad manager and de-motivater of Buzz Williams.

That's not accurate. 

[Jay Bee]

This isn't accurate.

- Devante Gardner and Juan Anderson are better basketball players than Buzz Williams ever will be.

Who dat, Mr. accurate?

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Who dat, Mr. accurate?

Ehhh... can't win them all.

I should just use numbers.

[Pakuni]

This isn't accurate.

- Devante Gardner and Juan Anderson are better basketball players than Buzz Williams ever will be.
- Buzz never played D1 hoops (never walked in their shoes)
- Buzz was/is critical of their abilities to play basketball. (criticizes them in public)

I assume Buzz is critical because he's very honest with his players and he's trying to make them better.

This is a type of motivational technique/honesty that Buzz regularly employs.


Now, with this said, this type of motivational tactic might not be appropriate for LW and BW. That's fine, and that's something that can be debated.

But, let's not make blanket statements and pretend like LW is automatically a bad manager and de-motivater of Buzz Williams.

That's not accurate. 

Hmm. Interesting point.
Buzz never played a minute of D-1 basketball. Just who does he think he is, going around claiming he can help make these guys better players?

[NersEllenson]

This isn't accurate.

- Devante Gardner and Juan Anderson are better basketball players than Buzz Williams ever will be.
- Buzz never played D1 hoops (never walked in their shoes)
- Buzz was/is critical of their abilities to play basketball. (criticizes them in public)

I assume Buzz is critical because he's very honest with his players and he's trying to make them better.

This is a type of motivational technique/honesty that Buzz regularly employs.


Now, with this said, this type of motivational tactic might not be appropriate for LW and BW. That's fine, and that's something that can be debated.

But, let's not make blanket statements and pretend like LW is automatically a bad manager and de-motivater of Buzz Williams.

That's not accurate. 

Actually, it is true - great leaders lead by gaining the support of those around them and underneath them - and they do this by building up trust, respect, and goodwill - generally gained through a pattern of appreciating and treating people well, yet nudging them to also improve in an appropriate forum.

The dynamics of a coach and player relationship is far different than that of 2 grown men in an A.D., and Head Coaching role.  Please go find me another example of an Athletic Director less than 4 months on the job, calling out his successful head coach of 4 years in a local newspaper...for an issue that is not in any way, shape or form....immoral personal conduct.

And Buzz has earned the trust, clout, and respect of his players to be able to criticize them as he sees fit.  The players he recruits CHOSE to be be coached by him, Buzz didn't choose to be coached by Larry Williams.  Totally different dynamic.

[NersEllenson]

Hmm. Interesting point.
Buzz never played a minute of D-1 basketball. Just who does he think he is, going around claiming he can help make these guys better players?

He doesn't need to...he's got Wes Matthews to do it for him...and Lazar, and Jimmy, and Jae, and DJO, but whatever, just another bad point you try to make.