Author Topic: 2012 NFC North/NFL Thread (Read 194919 times)

DegenerateDish · « **Reply #825 on:** January 15, 2013, 04:32:25 PM »

I actually don't disagree with what you're saying, I'm saying I would have done that. You're right, the percentages dictate that you should do exactly as you describe. In my own head, I immediately thought they left too much time on the clock (which turned out to be correct). My point is if they did my scenario, they have 3 chances to get the ball in the end zone, when they were at will dictating the style of that game. I won't argue that it's very much against the norm, it certainly is. There was talk by some experts that Atlanta should have let the Seahawks score anyway, which is where I was coming from in regards to my point. I realize the Falcons didn't let them score, but I still would have taken a knee.

TeamOh · « **Reply #826 on:** January 15, 2013, 04:48:11 PM »

wadesworld · « **Reply #827 on:** January 15, 2013, 05:04:52 PM »

Quote from: MUDish on January 15, 2013, 04:32:25 PM

I actually don't disagree with what you're saying, I'm saying I would have done that. You're right, the percentages dictate that you should do exactly as you describe. In my own head, I immediately thought they left too much time on the clock (which turned out to be correct). My point is if they did my scenario, they have 3 chances to get the ball in the end zone, when they were at will dictating the style of that game. I won't argue that it's very much against the norm, it certainly is. There was talk by some experts that Atlanta should have let the Seahawks score anyway, which is where I was coming from in regards to my point. I realize the Falcons didn't let them score, but I still would have taken a knee.

jesmu84 · « **Reply #828 on:** January 15, 2013, 07:26:40 PM »

Bears are down to 3 - Arians, Bevell and Trestman. I think I'd actually prefer Trestman out of that group. Anyone who can make rich Gannon an MVP is a good coach in my book.

Sad to hear Dave Toub left the team.

MUDish - any insight on emery's decision process? Or why Toub decided to leave (for a lateral move)?

🏀 · « **Reply #829 on:** January 15, 2013, 09:51:17 PM »

Quote from: jesmu84 on January 15, 2013, 07:26:40 PM

Bears are down to 3 - Arians, Bevell and Trestman. I think I'd actually prefer Trestman out of that group. Anyone who can make rich Gannon an MVP is a good coach in my book.

Sad to hear Dave Toub left the team.

MUDish - any insight on emery's decision process? Or why Toub decided to leave (for a lateral move)?

I hope it's Trestman. Any OC that made Jerry Rice consider retiring is a positive move for the Bears, IMO.

MU B2002 · « **Reply #830 on:** January 16, 2013, 07:51:22 AM »

Trestman it is.

jesmu84 · « **Reply #831 on:** January 16, 2013, 08:15:28 AM »

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/52391/marc-trestman-hire-outsmarting-the-rest

Boom or Bust. Maybe a bit exaggerated, but certainly not out of the realm of possibility. I also wonder how much Emery's job is tied to the success of the hire.

Aaron Kromer (former Saints offensive line coach/offensive coordinator/interim-interim HC) now Bears Oline coach and O coordinator

http://espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/story/_/id/8848801/chicago-bears-tap-marc-trestman-former-cfl-coach-year-montreal-alouettes

DegenerateDish · « **Reply #832 on:** January 16, 2013, 08:27:57 AM »

Quote from: jesmu84 on January 15, 2013, 07:26:40 PM

Bears are down to 3 - Arians, Bevell and Trestman. I think I'd actually prefer Trestman out of that group. Anyone who can make rich Gannon an MVP is a good coach in my book.

Sad to hear Dave Toub left the team.

MUDish - any insight on emery's decision process? Or why Toub decided to leave (for a lateral move)?

Toub left because he wasn't going to be HC and he wanted to move on. He worked with Reid in Philly before, so it was a natural fit for him to go there.

In the end, Emery went with the guy who (for better or worse) is most like himself. Trestman is very cerebral, perhaps to a fault. Pluses are that he has HC experience, has been successful, had success in the NFL, worked with Cutler before. Interesting hire, outise the box.

MerrittsMustache · « **Reply #833 on:** January 16, 2013, 08:46:33 AM »

Quote from: MUDish on January 16, 2013, 08:27:57 AM

Toub left because he wasn't going to be HC and he wanted to move on. He worked with Reid in Philly before, so it was a natural fit for him to go there.

In the end, Emery went with the guy who (for better or worse) is most like himself. Trestman is very cerebral, perhaps to a fault. Pluses are that he has HC experience, has been successful, had success in the NFL, worked with Cutler before. Interesting hire, outise the box.

When did Trestman work with Cutler before?

jesmu84 · « **Reply #834 on:** January 16, 2013, 08:52:09 AM »

Quote from: MerrittsMustache on January 16, 2013, 08:46:33 AM

When did Trestman work with Cutler before?

http://espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/story/_/id/8848801/chicago-bears-tap-marc-trestman-former-cfl-coach-year-montreal-alouettes

"In addition to his duties as a coach, Trestman works during the offseason to prepare college quarterbacks for the NFL draft. Trestman worked with Jay Cutler and Bears backup Jason Campbell before their respective drafts."

MerrittsMustache · « **Reply #835 on:** January 16, 2013, 09:23:34 AM »

Quote from: jesmu84 on January 16, 2013, 08:52:09 AM

http://espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/story/_/id/8848801/chicago-bears-tap-marc-trestman-former-cfl-coach-year-montreal-alouettes

"In addition to his duties as a coach, Trestman works during the offseason to prepare college quarterbacks for the NFL draft. Trestman worked with Jay Cutler and Bears backup Jason Campbell before their respective drafts."

Missed that. Thank you.

JWags85 · « **Reply #836 on:** January 16, 2013, 09:51:31 AM »

Quote from: jesmu84 on January 16, 2013, 08:15:28 AM

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/52391/marc-trestman-hire-outsmarting-the-rest

Boom or Bust. Maybe a bit exaggerated, but certainly not out of the realm of possibility. I also wonder how much Emery's job is tied to the success of the hire.

Aaron Kromer (former Saints offensive line coach/offensive coordinator/interim-interim HC) now Bears Oline coach and O coordinator

http://espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/story/_/id/8848801/chicago-bears-tap-marc-trestman-former-cfl-coach-year-montreal-alouettes

Kromer is a very good hire as well. He should greatly improve this line, provided the Bears sign/draft some talent. Color me excited.

GGGG · « **Reply #837 on:** January 16, 2013, 09:56:21 AM »

I'm sure the meatballs won't be excited about it, especially since he is more Lovie than Ditka in demeanor, but I think it is a bold hire. I also think that ESPN article was a little unfair on bashing the CFL. It is no doubt a different league with lessor players, but I think judgement has to be reserved on how this is going to impact his offense. I mean, I don't think he will be breaking out a 1980s offense, and I'm sure Emery knows this.

Hiring an offensive coach IMO was very smart. They need to use Cutler to his abilities and give him an offensive gameplan that is serviceable.

DegenerateDish · « **Reply #838 on:** January 16, 2013, 10:44:14 AM »

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 16, 2013, 09:56:21 AM

I'm sure the meatballs won't be excited about it, especially since he is more Lovie than Ditka in demeanor, but I think it is a bold hire. I also think that ESPN article was a little unfair on bashing the CFL. It is no doubt a different league with lessor players, but I think judgement has to be reserved on how this is going to impact his offense. I mean, I don't think he will be breaking out a 1980s offense, and I'm sure Emery knows this.

Hiring an offensive coach IMO was very smart. They need to use Cutler to his abilities and give him an offensive gameplan that is serviceable.

The meatballs always want da fire and da passion.

My biggest concern is on the defensive side. If Marinelli stays (indications are that he is), will the locker room be divided, and how will guys react to the old regime/new regime.

GGGG · « **Reply #839 on:** January 16, 2013, 10:46:34 AM »

Looks like they hired DeCamillis away from the Cowboys too. That is a fine replacement for Toub.

DegenerateDish · « **Reply #840 on:** January 16, 2013, 11:10:38 AM »

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 16, 2013, 10:46:34 AM

Looks like they hired DeCamillis away from the Cowboys too. That is a fine replacement for Toub.

I heard that as well, great hire. What's interesting is to get DeCamillis, they had to give him the assistant head coach title. Marinelli is (or was rather) assistant head coach. Trying to get more info on Marinelli's status. Could be on the out.

nyg · « **Reply #841 on:** January 16, 2013, 11:12:25 AM »

Looks like Oregon's Kelly is the new Eagles coach. Must have come up with the big bucks.

DegenerateDish · « **Reply #842 on:** January 16, 2013, 11:12:52 AM »

Chip Kelly new Eagles HC. Wow.

MerrittsMustache · « **Reply #843 on:** January 16, 2013, 11:14:06 AM »

Quote from: MUDish on January 16, 2013, 11:10:38 AM

I heard that as well, great hire. What's interesting is to get DeCamillis, they had to give him the assistant head coach title. Marinelli is (or was rather) assistant head coach. Trying to get more info on Marinelli's status. Could be on the out.

That title doesn't mean much. NFL teams can block assistants from interviewing for lateral positions. If the Bears "promote" DeCamillis to Assistant Head Coach even though he's basically just the ST Coach, Dallas can't do anything to block the move.

DegenerateDish · « **Reply #844 on:** January 16, 2013, 11:15:06 AM »

Quote from: MerrittsMustache on January 16, 2013, 11:14:06 AM

That title doesn't mean much. NFL teams can block assistants from interviewing for lateral positions. If the Bears "promote" DeCamillis to Assistant Head Coach even though he's basically just the ST Coach, Dallas can't do anything to block the move.

Exactly, that's what I was getting at. The only way the Bears could hire him was to give him that title.

jesmu84 · « **Reply #845 on:** January 16, 2013, 12:28:39 PM »

Trestman, DeCammilis, Kromer. A hell of a (delayed) start to the Emery era. Tack on improvement of last year's draft picks, plus a few solid picks this year and I really like the direction everything is going. Granted, have to get younger on defense, but I'd say the Bears could be 3-4 years from a solid super bowl contender.

My only concern is getting the offense in gear fast enough. This is the 4th? 5th? offense/coordinator for Jay Cutler. Could have some growing pains.

RJax55 · « **Reply #846 on:** January 16, 2013, 12:51:13 PM »

Quote from: MUDish on January 16, 2013, 10:44:14 AM

The meatballs always want da fire and da passion.

My biggest concern is on the defensive side. If Marinelli stays (indications are that he is), will the locker room be divided, and how will guys react to the old regime/new regime.

Certainly a concern. Without a doubt, Lovie was a players coach. Say what you will about the Lovie era, I can't recall a time when I felt the players quit on him.

The fact Trestman has similar demeanor to Lovie is a plus. Bringing in some-type of hardass coach, like a Greg Schiano, could have been extremely problematic.

ATWizJr · « **Reply #847 on:** January 16, 2013, 01:09:34 PM »

Expect a lot of 12 men on the field penalties.

jesmu84 · « **Reply #848 on:** January 16, 2013, 01:19:09 PM »

Quote from: ATWizJr on January 16, 2013, 01:09:34 PM

Expect a lot of 12 men on the field penalties.

And 3rd down punts? And illegal shift penalties?

DegenerateDish · « **Reply #849 on:** January 16, 2013, 01:27:28 PM »

Quote from: ATWizJr on January 16, 2013, 01:09:34 PM

Expect a lot of 12 men on the field penalties.

Well played, nicely done.

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