MU not in Jabari Parker's Top 10

[Goose]

Pretty sure Buzz knew this was no-go for awhile for many reasons. Lot of people involved with this kid and difficult to navigate all the handlers I would think.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Considering Kentucky has been landing consistent Top 10 high school players since Calipari has been there....they should have a track record of sending guys to the NBA, and high draft picks at that.

Having said that, off the top of my head - what Kentucky guys of late have really done much at the next level?  John Wall?  Umm..wouldn't exactly say he's been a great Number 1.  DeMarcus Cousins?  Not much production there.  Enes Kanter?  Brandon Knight? 

#1 Those guys are still young.
#2 They are getting PAID and they are set for life (if they plan correctly)

If I was picking a college, and they told me they had successfully made their 25%* of their students millionaires by age 20, I'd be very encouraged.

(*I don't know Cal's exact %, but he seems to have 2-3 guys per year)

[CTWarrior]

You're really grasping at straws there.  If you want to go to the NBA as a high draft pick your school is Kentucky and your coach is Calipari. I don't think it's a question.  Maybe UNC, but in a few years I expect Kentucky's list to be even longer and more impressive.

I agree it is early for those guys, but the guys Calipari gets are guys who would be rich regardless of where they went to college.  To me, the allure of Calipari is that your one year of college will be great because you will be playing with other lottery guys and can expect a big NCAA run.  I think Anthony Davis would have been the number 1 pick if he went to Marquette or any school in the biggest 6 or 8 conferences.

[Benny B]

But bad for us.  If they land him, Parker is a game-changer for them, and likely pushes us beneath them in the league standings and national rankings.

If that's the case, then the fact that MU is not in Jabari's Top 10 is probably a good thing.  (Unless you're assuming that DePaul also picks up a couple more 4 & 5 stars.)

Logic:
Jabari + 4 at Depaul > MU2013 → MU2013 ≈ "Middle of Pack" Big East
MU2013 ≈ MoP-BE → MU2013 + Jabari ≠ 2014 Final Four
Jabari = 1 & Done ⇒ ⊤
∴ MU2013 + Jabari ≠ 2014 Final Four & MU2014 ∌ Jabari → Last 2013 Scholly to 1&D < Last 2013 Scholly to a project.

In other words (if I did that right), if MU isn't capable of beating a Jabari-led DePaul team next year, then MU is better off spending its last 2013 scholly on a project than a 1 & done.

[Tugg Speedman]

I agree it is early for those guys, but the guys Calipari gets are guys who would be rich regardless of where they went to college.  To me, the allure of Calipari is that your one year of college will be great because you will be playing with other lottery guys and can expect a big NCAA run.  I think Anthony Davis would have been the number 1 pick if he went to Marquette or any school in the biggest 6 or 8 conferences.

+1

If your intention is to go to school only one year, why wouldn't you go to Kentucky?

[Dawson Rental]

Pretty sure Buzz knew this was no-go for awhile for many reasons. Lot of people involved with this kid and difficult to navigate all the handlers I would think.

Jabari's one and only handler is his father, Sonny Parker.

[Dawson Rental]

#1 Those guys are still young.
#2 They are getting PAID and they are set for life (if they plan correctly)

If I was picking a college, and they told me they had successfully made their 25%* of their students millionaires by age 20, I'd be very encouraged.

(*I don't know Cal's exact %, but he seems to have 2-3 guys per year)

So, of the 5,000 or so who enroll at Kentucky each year, you're saying only 8 to 12 are students.  Sounds about right.

[RawdogDX]

Jabari Parker recruiting news should be barred to superbar.  At least until he commits.

[Hards Alumni]

+1

If your intention is to go to school only one year, why wouldn't you go to Kentucky?

exactly, great basketball, hot chicks, and low academic standards... its a dream.

[Otule's Glass Eye]

From everything I've read that he says it seems like he would put his religion first or go to a lesser, closer program than to be a typical one and done UNC Duke or UK player. He is still strongly considering BYU and I remember awhile back that MSU was supposedly in the lead for him? Don't know if they are now.

[Dr. Blackheart]

exactly, great basketball, hot chicks, and low academic standards... its a dream.

Except if you are religous, care about academics, your dad is already a millionaire and will be the #1 lottery pick no matter where you go. MSU is the leader supposedly.

[The Equalizer]

If that's the case, then the fact that MU is not in Jabari's Top 10 is probably a good thing.  (Unless you're assuming that DePaul also picks up a couple more 4 & 5 stars.)

I think its logical to think that DePaul will pick up a couple more 4- or 5-stars who want to play with Parker.  They already have one 4-star commit in Billy Garrett Jr.  Maybe Nunn wants to join them?  BeeJay Anya?  Purnell has a long list of 4- and 5- star prospects. 

Logic:
Jabari + 4 at Depaul > MU2013 → MU2013 ≈ "Middle of Pack" Big East

Jabari won't arrive at DePaul until the 2014 season, so I'm not sure what you meant by comparing to MU 2013.  I think when all the recruiting is done, (DePaul + Jabari in 2014) > MU 2014.

MU2013 ≈ MoP-BE → MU2013 + Jabari ≠ 2014 Final Four

I don't follow. 

If we landed Jabari for 2014, I think we'd be a contender for a final four.  We will lose Cadougan (and have an even keel replacement by Wilson) and Lockett (where Parker will be an improvment), add Burton & McKay, plus year-over-year improvement in everyone else.

If DePaul landed Parker and one or two more 4- or 5-stars, and Melvin sticks around, I think they're better in 2014 than our 2014 team.

Then, assuming if Parker is a one and done for DePaul in 2014, they'll have a dropoff.  But we're also in for a down year after losing Otule, JWilson, Blue and Gardner.  And they might still be better than us  in 2015 if the supporting cast that comes in with Parker is better than Burton and Duane Wilson.

∴ MU2013 + Jabari ≠ 2014 Final Four & MU2014 ∌ Jabari → Last 2013 Scholly to 1&D < Last 2013 Scholly to a project.

Problem is that we're out of scholarhips for 2014 if you assume that Otule is going to get an additional year.

I'd accept a transfer (or not applying for Otule's waiver) to get a player like Parker in 2014. But I don't think I'd take a project right now knowing that it means either Otule or another player will not be on the 2014 team.

In other words (if I did that right), if MU isn't capable of beating a Jabari-led DePaul team next year, then MU is better off spending its last 2013 scholly on a project than a 1 & done.

Regardless of what Parker decides regarding DePaul, I don't think I'd take a project now.  Our roster for 2014 is set, and should only change for a significant upgrade--not a project. 


Bottom line--I don't see any good for us if DePaul lands Parker. 

[MU82]

So ... what everybody here is saying is that Jabari is pretty much a lock for Marquette, right?

[Benny B]

Jabari won't arrive at DePaul until the 2014 season, so I'm not sure what you meant by comparing to MU 2013.  I think when all the recruiting is done, (DePaul + Jabari in 2014) > MU 2014.

Jabari is a senior this year.  Unless you know something about his academics that we don't, he's part of the 2013 recruiting class.

If we landed Jabari for 2014, I think we'd be a contender for a final four.  We will lose Cadougan (and have an even keel replacement by Wilson) and Lockett (where Parker will be an improvment), add Burton & McKay, plus year-over-year improvement in everyone else.

I'll admit that I haven't seen Jabari play, but it's pretty bold to say that ONE player - a freshman, no less - is good enough to be the difference between mediocrity and the Final Four (in MU's case) or between the dog house and better-than-mediocre (in DePaul's case).

[4everwarriors]

So ... what everybody here is saying is that Jabari is pretty much a lock for Marquette, right?

Why, has he posted a pic in Marquette gear?

[Bocephys]

Why, has he posted a pic in Marquette gear?

He tweeted something that one of Marquette's recruits looked at once.  It's in the bag.

[LAZER]

I agree it is early for those guys, but the guys Calipari gets are guys who would be rich regardless of where they went to college.  To me, the allure of Calipari is that your one year of college will be great because you will be playing with other lottery guys and can expect a big NCAA run.  I think Anthony Davis would have been the number 1 pick if he went to Marquette or any school in the biggest 6 or 8 conferences.

I'll agree with you on that. With the likes of Wall, Rose, Kidd-Gilchrist and in this case Parker they'd probably be in the NBA regardless. But Calipari gets ALL of his guys into the NBA.  His success rate is unbelievable.  I'd say Calapari's real value would be to a Top 50 recruit.  Those guys playing on other squads are a crapshoot to make it to the NBA, on UK they've got a real good shot.

[muhoops1]

I believe that Jabari is Mormon.

Im not joking

He is a devout Mormon and there is concern about whether or not he should take his Mission as he is considered a likely 1 and done.

[Bocephys]

He is a devout Mormon and there is concern about whether or not he should take his Mission as he is considered a likely 1 and done.

Couldn't he just reach out to all of Shawn Kemp's kids during his rookie season and double dip?

[The Equalizer]

Jabari is a senior this year.  Unless you know something about his academics that we don't, he's part of the 2013 recruiting class.

Correct. But that means his first year in college is for the 2014 season.  2013 never comes into play for either MU or DePaul.

I'll admit that I haven't seen Jabari play, but it's pretty bold to say that ONE player - a freshman, no less - is good enough to be the difference between mediocrity and the Final Four (in MU's case) or between the dog house and better-than-mediocre (in DePaul's case).

Two words: Cody Zellar.

But its not just "ONE" player--they have a commitment from PG Billy Garrett who ESPN has at #61 (compared to #58 Duane Wilson, who many here are already drooling over). Plus Cleveland Melvin will be a senior.  Plus they're in the running for Kendrick Nunn (who we well know), as well as for BeeJay Anya, ESPN's top rated Center (#13 overall). Plus, they're still recruiting another half-dozen four and five star recruits.  

And my belief is that if one piece falls into place, others are likely to follow.  

[MU82]

Correct. But that means his first year in college is for the 2014 season.  2013 never comes into play for either MU or DePaul.

Two words: Cody Zellar.

But its not just "ONE" player--they have a commitment from PG Billy Garrett who ESPN has at #61 (compared to #58 Duane Wilson, who many here are already drooling over). Plus Cleveland Melvin will be a senior.  Plus they're in the running for Kendrick Nunn (who we well know), as well as for BeeJay Anya, ESPN's top rated Center (#13 overall). Plus, they're still recruiting another half-dozen four and five star recruits.  

And my belief is that if one piece falls into place, others are likely to follow.  

Two even better words, better illustrating a 1-and-done, Final Four-ready player:

Carmelo Anthony.

[ecompt]

But bad for us.  If they land him, Parker is a game-changer for them, and likely pushes us beneath them in the league standings and national rankings.

I'm curious on the perennial DePaul comments--the Big East standings are a zero-sum game, which team at the top of the standings do people expect to fall?  People say "Boy, it would be great if DePaul were a good team again".  If you want DePaul to move up and become one of the top teams in the league, the logical corallary to that is that MU or GU or Louisville must fall. 

But Parker is in all likelihood a one-and-done, so I doubt that signing with DePaul autromatically dooms us to also-ran status.

[Pakuni]

Two even better words, better illustrating a 1-and-done, Final Four-ready player:

Carmelo Anthony.

Derrick Rose, too.
That said, Hakim Warrick, Gerry McNamara, Chris Douglas-Roberts and Joey Dorsey probably won't be playing for DePaul.
And, more importantly, Oliver Purnell won't learn how to coach like Jim Boeheim and John Calipari.

[4everwarriors]

He ain't goin' to no DePaul.

[Benny B]

Correct. But that means his first year in college is for the 2014 season.  2013 never comes into play for either MU or DePaul.

Two words: Cody Zellar.

But its not just "ONE" player--they have a commitment from PG Billy Garrett who ESPN has at #61 (compared to #58 Duane Wilson, who many here are already drooling over). Plus Cleveland Melvin will be a senior.  Plus they're in the running for Kendrick Nunn (who we well know), as well as for BeeJay Anya, ESPN's top rated Center (#13 overall). Plus, they're still recruiting another half-dozen four and five star recruits.  

And my belief is that if one piece falls into place, others are likely to follow.  

To your first point, semantics. He is part of the 2013 recruiting class, not the "class" of 2013. If you want to refer to the season by the year in which it ends, fine.  But look at the context next time.

To your second point, 1) IU didn't go to the final four this year and 2) Zeller wasn't even IU's top scorer in most of their biggest games this year.  Heck, Zeller wasn't even the most dominant freshman player in the NCAA this year.  Without Zeller, IU gets more minutes from Pritchard (whose stats as a freshman aren't too far off of Zeller's stats this year) and likely still makes the tournament.