What/Who is Hiroshima?

[Dreadman24]

Ok guys I'm a little lost and I know I'm gonna get blasted for not knowing who Hiroshima is but oh well. Many of you on here reference "Hiroshima" and I'm clueless as to what you all are talking about! Can Someone please enlighten me? Thanks!

[Tugg Speedman]

It is the perception on this board, by a bunch of posters that are usually wrong, that a large number of player will transfer when the semester is over.  Hence Hiroshima.

[Niv Berkowitz]

In addition, the thing that will set off this "bomb" will be the fact that the administration will retroactively increase the level of difficulity of admissions and GPA for current students.

And naturally, if you think through the logic of this move, it doesn't necessarily come across as "common sensical", regardless of what some of us think of the current AD and President. But then again....hey...this is a blog so...let everyone run amok!

[GGGG]

It is the perception on this board, by a bunch of posters that are usually wrong, that a large number of player will transfer when the semester is over.  Hence Hiroshima.

Actually, that's not quite true.  It is what the reaction would be on this board IF an alleged change in academic policy by the athletic department WAS the reason for certain transfers.  I truly have no idea if anyone is transferring.

[DomJamesToTheBasket]

I had a different take....muguru cryptically wrote about "player(s)" being pushed out that want to stay.  The "Hiroshima" aspect was if/when the reasons for the departed came out.  Most likely that they would never sniff the court.  He mentioned that it wasn't an academic issue.  It was written before Durley de-committed and Jones announced his transfer.....the 2 guys most already figured were gone and the "player(s)" muguru was surely referencing.  In the weeks following,  many posters have mocked the "Hiroshima" exaggeration,  but some have not picked up on the sarcasm and have continued to speculate.  Is Vander leaving....or Juan.....I highly doubt it.

[Tugg Speedman]

Actually, that's not quite true.  It is what the reaction would be on this board IF an alleged change in academic policy by the athletic department WAS the reason for certain transfers.  I truly have no idea if anyone is transferring.

Assuming this happens, how would we know?  Do you expect a press release announcing the new standard?

If this happens, we will never know.

[mu_hilltopper]

.. posters that are usually wrong..

Such a classic response to (negative) information, posted by someone(s) who is sharing what they've heard, getting slammed for it.

FYI, I heard the same info, AMU84, from a source I very much trust.  I'm pretty sure you can't group me into the "a bunch of posters that are usually wrong" category.  The point is .. there is a high probability that much of the basis for these rumors are true .. some players are in academic trouble, and may be leaving when grades are final.   Whether that comes to pass, we're all holding our breath.

[nathanziarek]

My reading is the same as Sultan's — Hiroshima is what this board would look like if a bunch of transfers occurred due to retroactive academic failings (failing players for not meeting unknown future standards is unfair).

I'm not sure anyone knows that something is going to happen of if it's just a handful of posters stirring the pot.

Should this particular scenario happen, though, I think it's probably pretty accurate. A quick glance at the number of people that actively hate the MU Board, AD and president over whispers surrounding the SMU debacle tells you all you need to know about message boards and overreactions.

If something actually happened, they might need to shut down the Internet.

[GGGG]

I had a different take....muguru cryptically wrote about "player(s)" being pushed out that want to stay.  The "Hiroshima" aspect was if/when the reasons for the departed came out.  Most likely that they would never sniff the court.  He mentioned that it wasn't an academic issue.  It was written before Durley de-committed and Jones announced his transfer.....the 2 guys most already figured were gone and the "player(s)" muguru was surely referencing.  In the weeks following,  many posters have mocked the "Hiroshima" exaggeration,  but some have not picked up on the sarcasm and have continued to speculate.  Is Vander leaving....or Juan.....I highly doubt it.

muguru verified that it was a strengthening of the academic standards by the athletic department.  His point was that increasing such standards during a player's academic career was not fair.

[DomJamesToTheBasket]

muguru verified that it was a strengthening of the academic standards by the athletic department.  His point was that increasing such standards during a player's academic career was not fair.

I see. That would be Hiroshima here! 

[brewcity77]

I'm 99.9% confident that the players being referred to by muguru and others were NOT Durley and Jones. Those were expected by many and hardly viewed in a "Hiroshima" light.

[Canadian Dimes]

Dreadman,

please keep in mind this is all idle chicken little conspiracy theorist delusions.  See per the conspiracy Larry Williams is not the lone gunman, Father Pilarz is actually on the grassy knoll or is it the MU Hall belltower?

Furthermore they we planted, into their leadership positions, by our enemies, georgetown and Notre Dame, while our ninkompoop Board of Trustees slept at the wheel and did not detect these obvious plants.  

Thankfully, Goose, Muguru, and others that panic and worry 24 hours a day about the impending doom of Mu basketball are all over this.  Their training has allowed them to detect these double agents with absolutely no evidence expect for their ablity to decipher internet forum rumor (or create it).

Much like the underwear bombers of Al-Quaida, Dreadman have no fear becuase some of the posters of MuScoop are all over this one.  You would be shocked to know what they know. You would prolly not be able to sleep at night if you know what they are finding.

They will not rest until the all those attempting to keep Mu from its right full place atop the college basketball world are exposed and vanquished.  

[MU82]

Ok guys I'm a little lost and I know I'm gonna get blasted for not knowing who Hiroshima is but oh well. Many of you on here reference "Hiroshima" and I'm clueless as to what you all are talking about! Can Someone please enlighten me? Thanks!

Just in case you are really young and really Sarah Palinish when it comes to American and world history and really don't know who/what Hiroshima is ...

It's the city in Japan where the U.S. dropped the first atom bomb in 1945. Three days later, a second bomb drop, at Nagasaki, effectively ended World War II.

About 160,000 people died directly from the two bombings, and thousands upon thousands more died from the aftereffects. So, obviously, a kid transferring from one college to another to play basketball would result in similar devastation.

Class dismissed. Test tomorrow.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Such a classic response to (negative) information, posted by someone(s) who is sharing what they've heard, getting slammed for it.

FYI, I heard the same info, AMU84, from a source I very much trust.  I'm pretty sure you can't group me into the "a bunch of posters that are usually wrong" category.  The point is .. there is a high probability that much of the basis for these rumors are true .. some players are in academic trouble, and may be leaving when grades are final.   Whether that comes to pass, we're all holding our breath.

Players in academic trouble is absolutely believable, Topper.

Using that "confirmed rumor" to speculate that Pilarz and Larry are trying to send MU back to the stone ages, or be like SLU, or be like ND or whatever is what I found ridiculous. I'd like to see the hand MU is dealt before I go all-in on Hiroshima and my impending harakiri.


Uthoff is visiting MU. I heard that Buzz wants to be more like UW! I read that on the internet, so there's something to it.

[RideMyBuycks]

Just in case you are really young and really Sarah Palinish when it comes to American and world history and really don't know who/what Hiroshima is ...

It's the city in Japan where the U.S. dropped the first atom bomb in 1945. Three days later, a second bomb drop, at Nagasaki, effectively ended World War II.

About 160,000 people died directly from the two bombings, and thousands upon thousands more died from the aftereffects. So, obviously, a kid transferring from one college to another to play basketball would result in similar devastation.

Class dismissed. Test tomorrow.

I <3 Wikipedia too.

[smrunner99]

So if this situation is being referred to as Hiroshima can we start calling the Buzz to SMU situation the Battle of the Bulge?

[chapman]

Dreadman,

please keep in mind this is all idle chicken little conspiracy theorist delusions.  See per the conspiracy Larry Williams is not the lone gunman, Father Pilarz is actually on the grassy knoll or is it the MU Hall belltower?

Furthermore they we planted, into their leadership positions, by our enemies, georgetown and Notre Dame, while our ninkompoop Board of Trustees slept at the wheel and did not detect these obvious plants.  

Thankfully, Goose, Muguru, and others that panic and worry 24 hours a day about the impending doom of Mu basketball are all over this.  Their training has allowed them to detect these double agents with absolutely no evidence expect for their ablity to decipher internet forum rumor (or create it).

Much like the underwear bombers of Al-Quaida, Dreadman have no fear becuase some of the posters of MuScoop are all over this one.  You would be shocked to know what they know. You would prolly not be able to sleep at night if you know what they are finding.

They will not rest until the all those attempting to keep Mu from its right full place atop the college basketball world are exposed and vanquished.  

So if this situation is being referred to as Hiroshima can we start calling the Buzz to SMU situation the Battle of the Bulge?

That was Buzz's sleep deprivation/weight issues a couple years back.  Buzz to SMU was the Spanish Inquisition.

[Goose]

CanadianDimes

For the record, I no longer worry about the future of MU ball. Obviously the consensus of this board is strongly behind the brass of the school and that is the way it is. It seems to me after reading many posts that no matter what happens many here believe MU will remain at a lofty place in the basketball community. My comments over past two months were based off my opinion on how I believe MU needs to run the program to be elite status. What ultimately happens long term will happen no matter what any of us wants.

You can bash my comments all you want. Honestly I believe the school knows the vast majority of basketball backers will remain fans even if we slip a notch or two in the big picture. I was mocked for saying we could become SLU and for 90% of MU fans they probably would be accepting of that. SLU was NCAA team this year and spent less money getting there.

Whatever happens, happens.

[nyg]

Find out next Friday when the semester ends.....

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

CanadianDimes

For the record, I no longer worry about the future of MU ball. Obviously the consensus of this board is strongly behind the brass of the school and that is the way it is. It seems to me after reading many posts that no matter what happens many here believe MU will remain at a lofty place in the basketball community. My comments over past two months were based off my opinion on how I believe MU needs to run the program to be elite status. What ultimately happens long term will happen no matter what any of us wants.

You can bash my comments all you want. Honestly I believe the school knows the vast majority of basketball backers will remain fans even if we slip a notch or two in the big picture. I was mocked for saying we could become SLU and for 90% of MU fans they probably would be accepting of that. SLU was NCAA team this year and spent less money getting there.

Whatever happens, happens.

Actually, you bring up a very good point, MU needs to stay aggressive with their athletics to stay on it's current level and trajectory. That means spending, investing in talented coaches, facilities, etc. Especially given the current conference instability.

MU has been aggressive the past 10 years or so, and I would say it has been paying dividends.

Where you and I disagree is that 1 or 2 rumors about the new admin. is not a clear indicator that MU is heading different direction.

Even if the rumors are true, I think it's reasonable to wait and see what some of the outcomes are before we start accusing the new AD of being incompetent, or the new President of being some sort of crazy academic that hates basketball.

EXAMPLE:

Buzz Williams took the MU head coaching job and Trevor Mbakwe transferred to a junior college late in the summer. Was that because Buzz is a terrible coach? or maybe it was because Trevor just didn't want to be there anymore?

It would have been stupid to make a broad sweeping statement about Buzz back then based upon 1 case, just like it's stupid to make broad, sweeping statements about the new admin.

[madtownwarrior]

no hiroshima for me...

1)  If a player can't meet minimal academic standards, they need not be on the team
2)  I highly doubt the leadership of this university would retroactively enact "unfair" standards in order to kick off players of the team - they would open themselves for a huge liability and criticism.  Pretty sure they would give warning and ample time to meet new standards which potential failing players failed to heed or simply cannot meet (see point #1).
3)  If there are severe discipline problems, they need not be on the team...


Besides, replacement players may be better than departing players...

[Tugg Speedman]

Seems to be the Hiroshima idea is an unprovable tin foil hat conspiracy theory.  That means it can live on and on and on with no basis in reality.

So how long after finals are over can we proclaim it is not going to happen?

[Canadian Dimes]

CanadianDimes

For the record, I no longer worry about the future of MU ball. Obviously the consensus of this board is strongly behind the brass of the school and that is the way it is. It seems to me after reading many posts that no matter what happens many here believe MU will remain at a lofty place in the basketball community. My comments over past two months were based off my opinion on how I believe MU needs to run the program to be elite status. What ultimately happens long term will happen no matter what any of us wants.

You can bash my comments all you want. Honestly I believe the school knows the vast majority of basketball backers will remain fans even if we slip a notch or two in the big picture. I was mocked for saying we could become SLU and for 90% of MU fans they probably would be accepting of that. SLU was NCAA team this year and spent less money getting there.

Whatever happens, happens.

Disagree, i know a number of large boosters.  I also know that Mu admin. understands what value MU as a national player brings to MU.  They know why applications are up, they know why/how the Al got built.  They fired Mike Deane when he stated he did not feel MU was the kind of program that could go to the NCAA every year or compete for national title despite him averging 20 wins a season.

They know the value of charter jets, and the second largest basketball budget in college basketball.  

Might Williams say something that might be construed incorrectly?  sure.  You guys are over the top.  Between Muguru, u and IWB, your "information" has been negative to the program and its fans over the last few months.  And quite frankly has been a real downer.  I hate the Scout board, but have been finding myself going therefor an MU fix, because some many posts over here have been so off base and depressing.  
my 2cents

[MUCam]

I ate Taco Bell last night for the first time in years.

I figured it might be relevant to this Hiroshima discussion. Just saying.

[Goose]

2002alum

Just curious on what constitutes rumor vs. info? Topper indicated he had received info from a credible source, is that written off as rumor or info? It seems that many believe that anyone that has stated "1 or 2 rumors" is blowing things out of proportion. If rumor #1 (MU would prefer Buzz go elsewhere) or rumor #2 (new academic standards for our guys) turned out to be true, does it affect the future of MU basketball?

I would say that at this point anyone who knows anybody involved in school or program have heard these rumors. Now, does it only become info if you hear it from someone you trust?