End of IU/KU

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

There are reasons to call TC a douche.

Wanting games on his own campus isn't one of them.

[jesmu84]

One thing I've agreed with with Dickie V is that all games should be played in a basketball venue. Glad to see Crean not give Kentucky what they want.

So, would it be acceptable to play at Conseco instead?

[brewcity77]

That's not what TC says. It's all about the students, and they wouldn't be able to afford the 45 mile trip to Indy.

So what if that's what he says? Would MU students flock to the UC to watch a neutral site Marquette/ND game? You get a lot more students on campus than you do an hour away. You might still fill the venue, but it won't have the same feel at Lucas Oil that it will in Bloomington or Lexington.

I would much rather have MU/Wisconsin play home-and-home than some neutral site made-for-tv game at Miller Park or some other venue. If we had a series with Illinois, I'd rather a home-and-home than an annual UC game.

If Crean were just a shameless publicity whore, I think he'd buy into this hook, line, and sinker. This is one of the few times where it seems like he's doing the right thing, the non-whorelike thing, and he still gets bashed. I swear, the guy could find a cure for AIDS and you'd be wondering about his plan to market it.

[Lennys Tap]

I admitted I forgot they played "neutral" site games, I'm fine with that, I just don't get this obsessive need to continue to bash Crean. It was old 2 years ago. At some point, I'd think you would realize he's gone and just let it go.

What...did you date Joanie in high school before he stole her away? Why does everything involving Crean have to turn into a bash Crean session? Why does everything involving Crean even have to show up here? Honestly, I think some people care more about bashing Crean than they do what's going on with our own program. I just don't get it.

Glad you're "fine" when it's pointed out that you based an over the top rant/defense of TC on incorrect information, though I must say you certainly don't sound "fine" with it.

Maybe while all of us demented Scoopers are being treated for our obsessive behavior you'll do something about your anger issues.

Oh, and no, I never dated Joanie. My distaste for her husband has nothing to do with his record at Marquette nor the way in which he exited Milwaukee. I think he is a phony and a user - a bad guy. I felt that way when he was at MU and I'll probably still feel that way after he's left Indiana.

Finally, IMHO most of the "Crean bashing" done around here is pretty darn funny. You disagree. Feel free to continue to lecture us on how making fun of TC means we don't care about Marquette, but don't be upset if we disagree.

[Coach Norman Dale]

Sorry guys but Iu/uk has bern a tradition forever.  Usually has always been played at a neutral court. 

IU/UK have played every year since 1969 (also played a number of games prior to that, just not part of the current streak)

As for location, at least since 1976, pretty evenly split between on campus and neutral site:

On campus from 1976 to 1986 and 2006 to 2011;

Freedom Hall and Hoosier a/k/a RCA dome in 1987* and 1989*, then 1991 to 2005.

* was not able to confirm location for games held in/at Kentucky in 1988 and 1990.

[GGGG]

That's not what TC says. It's all about the students, and they wouldn't be able to afford the 45 mile trip to Indy.

While that might be true, it is hardly the main reason.

[GGGG]

Glad you're "fine" when it's pointed out that you based an over the top rant/defense of TC on incorrect information, though I must say you certainly don't sound "fine" with it.

Maybe while all of us demented Scoopers are being treated for our obsessive behavior you'll do something about your anger issues.

Oh, and no, I never dated Joanie. My distaste for her husband has nothing to do with his record at Marquette nor the way in which he exited Milwaukee. I think he is a phony and a user - a bad guy. I felt that way when he was at MU and I'll probably still feel that way after he's left Indiana.

Finally, IMHO most of the "Crean bashing" done around here is pretty darn funny. You disagree. Feel free to continue to lecture us on how making fun of TC means we don't care about Marquette, but don't be upset if we disagree.

It was funny three years ago.  It is pathetic now.

And I'm hardly a fan of the guy.

[Coach Norman Dale]

So, would it be acceptable to play at Conseco instead?

Conseco is now Banker's Life Fieldhouse, but you and I and many others are going to have a hard time shaking free from use of the Conseco name.

[Lennys Tap]

It was funny three years ago.  It is pathetic now.

And I'm hardly a fan of the guy.

Again, it's certainly your prerogative to pick the date when 4ever, Ziggy, PRN et al ceased to be funny and became pathetic.

It's also valid for those you consider pathetic to view your stance as arbitrary and self important.

[lurch91]

Just a power play by Crean.  As noted, the game has been played at the RCA Dome a number of times, the students made the trip then.  I have a feeling that Crean was more concerned about Lucas Oil being inundated with traveling Kentucky fans, turning IU's home game into an away game.

And while I could have had a chance to date Joanie in high school, she wasn't my type.

[brewcity77]

It was funny three years ago.  It is pathetic now.

And I'm hardly a fan of the guy.

+1

It just sounds like whining at this point, the jilted lover that still can't get over it years after the fact. I don't like Crean. Honestly, I was a bit glad to see him go because I was sick of the annual "give me a raise so I don't go to X" routine that became part of the summer ritual. But at some point, it just makes sense to let go 

Seriously...you really think Kentucky is the pious, wonderful institution in this that has the best ideals of the universities, students, and student athletes in mind in all this? I'm not saying there aren't two sides responsible, but to act as though Crean is some pantomime villain and Kentucky the honorable knight...well, I don't know what to tell you.

And Lennys...you want to talk about over the top...just look at any of your hundreds of posts continuing to bash Crean years after the fact. Deep breath...let it go...

...though by your own admission, you apparently don't have that capability.

[NersEllenson]

Don't really care about this whole issue, but it was simply a wrong statement to say that Calipari was "ducking" or running away from playing games against IU.  I'm sure UK wanted it to be a big $$$$ game, which would be the case if moved to Lucas Field. IU and Crean want it held on campus....but for Crean to say IU students wouldn't make the 45 minute drive was absolutely absurd...probably said that to simply try to justify why they wouldn't be open to the game being held annually in Indiana (and never being played in Kentucky).

The reality is that Indiana has chosen to let the game/matchup not occur due to not being willing to have the game held in their home state and recruiting base EVERY year...so in my view, they are more responsible for the game coming to an end, than are UK and Calipari...pretty sure if IU said we'd like to play it as a neutral site game in Louisville every year at the Yum Center...Kentucky would not decline..

[tower912]

Just a power play by Crean.  As noted, the game has been played at the RCA Dome a number of times, the students made the trip then.  I have a feeling that Crean was more concerned about Lucas Oil being inundated with traveling Kentucky fans, turning IU's home game into an away game.

And while I could have had a chance to date Joanie in high school, she wasn't my type.

You were too busy dating my sister you piece of.......And I was trying to date your sister, so I guess we are even.       My recollection is that nobody was trying too hard to date her.   

[MarsupialMadness]

I applaud TC here.  Good for him, why play some stupid TV game with a Hollywood atmosphere? 

It's like having games outside on an aircraft carrier... so dumb.  Why would you want to play/coach in that game?  Shenanigans.

[Dawson Rental]

To sum this thread up.  The guys that hate Crean think he is to blame here.  The guys that hate Caliprari believe Crean is to blame here (how quickly the Cal haters become Cal lovers).

Does that about capture it all?

Both schools are to blame.  Easy to spin it either way.  IU beats UK (not KU as the subject line says) at Assembly Hall in one of the best regular season games in maybe 20 years and UK doesn't want to play at Assembly Hall anymore. That looks like UK is ducking.  On the other hand, UK offers a game in Indianapolis where far more fans can go and it will still be in the state of Indiana.

If I were Crean, I would want it at Assembly Hall where they have become almost unbeatable and where every fan will be a IU fan.  At the dome, you'll have 40K for the game at least 10K will be UK fans.

If I were Cal, of course I would want the game at domes.  IU is relevant again, only makes sense for them to want a game in a football stadium where he can get many of his fans at the game.

Historically, the game was played on campus.  Then it went to neutral sites and back to campus the last few years. 

As a college basketball fan, I always prefer games on campus and not at silly football stadiums where they are stale and too big.  If IU-PU was in Indy, it would suck.  Is Coach Cal going to move the UK-UL series to neutral sites in Kentucky?  If ND said MU needs to play ND in Chicago at a neutral site, would we be thrilled?

The story seems to put the "blame" if that's even the right word at the Indiana AD whose decision Crean supports.  Scheduling games require a match.  No match here with UK looking for maximum revenue, and IU looking for their best chance to snag another win over UK.

[4everwarriors]

Once a MF'er, always a MF'er.

[connie]

There are reasons to call TC a douche.

Wanting games on his own campus isn't one of them.

This should be the last words on this topic.

[warthog-driver]

Again, it's certainly your prerogative to pick the date when 4ever, Ziggy, PRN et al ceased to be funny and became pathetic.

I hope this statement means that I continue to be funny and estimable.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

I hope this statement means that I continue to be funny and estimable.

Guess you are et al to Lenny there colonel.

[Hoopaloop]

The defensiveness of a PURDUE fan over the end of this IU/UK rivalry is quite bizarre!

This would be akin to Chicos and his wife having a dinner party and having their guests watch Nickelodeon instead of Disney.

Nothing bizarre at all about it.  If Wisconsin demanded MU play them on a neutral court everyone here would not go for it.  No different, this is pure common sense.  


The key statement was from the Kentucky AD.  "I don't think he [Kentucky coach John Calipari] was really thrilled about going back to Bloomington, to be honest with you," Barnhart said.


Your humor continues to evade you.

Really?  They could get 65,000 fannies in the seats for a bunch of games right now.  How come they don't do it regularly?  Why don't they host both IU / Purdue games in the dome?  

The answer is because people would rather have them on campus...the donors who buy the prime seats especially.

Naive is thinking that paid attendance is where the money is made.  IU makes a great deal more off television revenue, and through donations for the prime Assembly Hall seats.  

Well said

It was funny three years ago.  It is pathetic now.

And I'm hardly a fan of the guy.

You're on fire.  Well said

Again, it's certainly your prerogative to pick the date when 4ever, Ziggy, PRN et al ceased to be funny and became pathetic.

It's also valid for those you consider pathetic to view your stance as arbitrary and self important.

4ever funny.  Ziggy, no.  PRN, hard to find much of anything he has said that is funny.  Obsessive, yes.  Funny, no.  Same goes for you.  There are reasons why folks like BMA left, you fit the bill.

[warthog-driver]

Nothing bizarre at all about it.  If Wisconsin demanded MU play them on a neutral court everyone here would not go for it.  No different, this is pure common sense.  


The key statement was from the Kentucky AD.  "I don't think he [Kentucky coach John Calipari] was really thrilled about going back to Bloomington, to be honest with you," Barnhart said.


Your humor continues to evade you.


Well said

You're on fire.  Well said

4ever funny.  Ziggy, no.  PRN, hard to find much of anything he has said that is funny.  Obsessive, yes.  Funny, no.  Same goes for you.  There are reasons why folks like BMA left, you fit the bill.

Only Chicos did this multiple quoting so he could launch multi-directional attacks. Please be honest as to who you really are!

[Spotcheck Billy]

[Golden Avalanche]

And that's Cal's hometown paper, not the Bloomington Bee or some crap.

Most everyone knows where this series broke down.

[Silkk the Shaka]

And that's Cal's hometown paper, not the Bloomington Bee or some crap.

Most everyone knows where this series broke down.

Cartoonist is an IU grad, so it may as well be the Bloomington Bee.  And it's not like our "hometown paper" J/S gives MU very favorable coverage.

[Lennys Tap]

Cartoonist is an IU grad, so it may as well be the Bloomington Bee.  And it's not like our "hometown paper" J/S gives MU very favorable coverage.

Too funny. Lanche's "proof" that everybody, even UK fans, think Cal's at fault turns out to be a cartoon by an IU grad. Starting with a narrative and trying (too hard) to get the facts to fit. Priceless.