MUBB, athletics and academics, etc.

[Aughnanure]

Can someone share with me one iota of evidence that this is going into effect??

This reminds me of our last 100 page created by another chicken/goose little

Now what did I do?

[Lennys Tap]

6) The conclusion that improved academic standards are being employed predominantly as a reaction to or an effort to stem behavioral issues is one of the most uneducated things I've heard... I don't know who came up with that theory, but I bet it was a communications major.

Actually an engineering student with degrees from both MU and Purdue came up with that gem.

[Lennys Tap]

Canadian Dimes
What evidence do you have that Lenny is wrong? Not sure why your opinion outweighs another posters. I would love to hear evidence that Lenny or Muguru are wrong. Do you have any or are you just stating your opinion? Please, please, please provide credible evidence with source and prove them wrong. Everyone on here would be very happy if you put the fire out.

Goose
I have never said that muguru's claims were true. My point is that IF they're true it would be very, very, (I can't say very enough) bad news for MU, both now and in the future.

[leever]

Without regard to any NEW standards, what if there is a player (or players) who are LIKELY to not meet the current standards and will be academically ineligible?  Maybe such a situation might cause the player to transfer (some might say, drop out) in about 2 weeks or so, maybe?

[Goose]

Lenny,
Sorry..I know your stance and simply meant the guru side of the debate.

[GGGG]

Without regard to any NEW standards, what if there is a player (or players) who are LIKELY to not meet the current standards and will be academically ineligible?  Maybe such a situation might cause the player to transfer (some might say, drop out) in about 2 weeks or so, maybe?

Correct.  We will find out shortly.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Correct.  We will find out shortly.

Sultan,

Is there a reason why this unnamed "players" haven't announced his/their impending transfer already?

My assumption is that they are actually trying to stay in school... but some people have said they have no shot, in which case I would think they would announce their transfer now. It's not like MU can really stop them, can they?

[humanlung]

Didn't we go through something like this back in the '80s when Bob Dukiet had an entire recruiting class fail to get into the Communications program?

I shudder to think we're even considering a slight move back in that direction...

[GGGG]

Sultan,

Is there a reason why this unnamed "players" haven't announced his/their impending transfer already?

My assumption is that they are actually trying to stay in school... but some people have said they have no shot, in which case I would think they would announce their transfer now. It's not like MU can really stop them, can they?

1. Because they are trying like hell to stay in school and nothing is for certain until the semester ends.

2. No one is really in trouble despite the suggestions otherwise.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

1. Because they are trying like hell to stay in school and nothing is for certain until the semester ends.

2. No one is really in trouble despite the suggestions otherwise.

OK, well, this is believable.

A student(s) are behind some sort of academic standard (whether it is "new" hasn't been confirmed), and they are working towards staying eligible.

The situation isn't final, and is fluid. Provided the athletes do the work, they can play.

Doesn't seem like the end of MU hoops as we know it.

I hope they use every tool available to make it, including music montages of them studying.

[4everwarriors]

Is this all bein' done to increase the basketball IQ of our team on the court?

[warthog-driver]

Didn't we go through something like this back in the '80s when Bob Dukiet had an entire recruiting class fail to get into the Communications program?

I shudder to think we're even considering a slight move back in that direction...

I seem to recall that. I was living overseas before the internet so I have nothing more than Rumint on this. It was the end of Dukiet.

[Goose]

4ever
If it happens I think to keep us in the sports page and not front page.

[jsglow]

1. Because they are trying like hell to stay in school and nothing is for certain until the semester ends.

2. No one is really in trouble despite the suggestions otherwise.

I'm also wondering aloud why a student athlete wouldn't also have the summer sessions?  My read of policy is that specific measurement takes place at the start of Soph, Jr., and Sr. year . . . call that Labor Day.  Now I do know that one can only take 6 summer credits according to the rules.

[warthog-driver]

I think the guys are required to be in residence during summers, no?

[jsglow]

I think the guys are required to be in residence during summers, no?

Sure, I suppose.  But if player x is struggling to get to his fall grade-point hurdle, then wouldn't summer be his real 'last chance'?  Maybe you're saying he needs to be in residence at the NEXT university he's attending. 

[MUMac]

Sure, I suppose.  But if player x is struggling to get to his fall grade-point hurdle, then wouldn't summer be his real 'last chance'?  Maybe you're saying he needs to be in residence at the NEXT university he's attending. 

Out of fairness to the person, you can't leave them hanging until the end.  If MU's standards are higher than the NCAA's and they would still qualify by NCAA and other universities standards, the minimum MU could do would be to allow them to catch on somewhere else.  Otherwise they are faced with decisions such a Mbakwe's Miami Dade Community College.

[warthog-driver]

I don't think they are changing the standards for existing players without a realistic opportunity to cure for those deficient. Hell, I am not even sure they are changing the standards (which is that of the NCAA.)

[Hoopaloop]

Actually an engineering student with degrees from both MU and Purdue came up with that gem.

Many years ago I was a student.

I didn't come up with it.  This is the argument that is currently being made by some on the MU campus in the administrative ranks.  I merely offered it up from what I heard is the line of thinking.  Whether there is a correlation or not, I yield to the sociologists and higher ed types to figure out. 

Here's a poll question:

If Buzz's teams had stayed out of trouble, however severe it truly was is not the point because it generated tremendous negative press for the school, would circumstances be different?  If they had stayed away from it, would the school be considering changes to the academic policies for student athletes or would things be left where they were?

[Hoopaloop]

The bad ink MU has gotten has been the result of a witch hunt by the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel and Chicago Tribune.  

Don't forget DePaul is behind it.


Were ESPN, the AP, WTMJ, WISN, etc also part of the witch hunt?   More likely the answer is that we have a prominent program and a number instances in a short amount of time occurred.  They will get reported by the news, it is what they do.  Stay out of trouble and things don't end up in the news.

[Hoopaloop]

A summary of this post:
1.Anything and everything done by the Marquette administration was (I guess always is) warranted and in the university's best interest.
2.Any student who doesn't get a 3.0 at MU (no matter their educational or socio-economic background or the fact that they're working full time) is lazy, a moron or both.

As usual, you are mischaracterizing and exaggerating.
   

[Hoopaloop]

What's the current minimum for "regular students" at Marquette? Is it fair that the general student body have lower thresholds than the basketball team?

Moving away from the fairness issue, would it hurt us competitively if our requirements go from = to Wisconsin, Purdue, Indiana, etc. to >those same schools? Duh.

As to your last statement, forget about Marquette. If Harvard raises minimums to 3.5 you'll see a different looking roster - and it won't take a "number of years".

Regular students need a 2.0 to graduate from Marquette (Accounting students a 2.5 in certain courses).

http://www.marquette.edu/cps/adult_degrees_graduation_req.shtml

[wildbill sb]

Sent a "Chief Crowder" tee shirt (size L) to Fr. Pilarz.  Hope he wears it.  I would have sent one to LW, too, if I knew his size.

[mu03eng]

Don't forget DePaul is behind it.


Were ESPN, the AP, WTMJ, WISN, etc also part of the witch hunt?   More likely the answer is that we have a prominent program and a number instances in a short amount of time occurred.  They will get reported by the news, it is what they do.  Stay out of trouble and things don't end up in the news.

Lets be honest, one incident got a lot of attention which then made local news sources interested in peeling back the onion.....however a lot of incidents happened under Crean too, he was just much better at smoothing those things over than Buzz is apparently.  Once you get enough attention on the local level the national stuff will pick up on it....besides how much did ESPN actually cover the issue.  Plus, and I know this has been debated ad naseum, but MU's inept PR capabilities at a minimum didn't help and may actually have made all this worse than it could have been.

[Niv Berkowitz]

Lets be honest, one incident got a lot of attention which then made local news sources interested in peeling back the onion.....however a lot of incidents happened under Crean too, he was just much better at smoothing those things over than Buzz is apparently.  Once you get enough attention on the local level the national stuff will pick up on it....besides how much did ESPN actually cover the issue.  Plus, and I know this has been debated ad naseum, but MU's inept PR capabilities at a minimum didn't help and may actually have made all this worse than it could have been.

I like to blame the Zizzo Group for many of MU's foibles over the last decade.

Also, regarding Williams shirt size: body size - XL. Neck size - to fit around his head - XXXXXXL