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dw3dw3dw3

Interesting... didn't play much freshman year, but a talent out of HS, 29th per ESPN

http://www.zagsblog.com/2012/04/27/duke-transfer-gbinije-drawing-interest/
VCU, Marquette, Vanderbilt, Tennessee, Villanova, Rutgers & more are looking at Duke transfer Michael Gbinije, reports @AdamZagoria.

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A small forward makes sense.

GGGG

Quote from: PTM on April 27, 2012, 02:23:16 PM
A small forward makes sense.


Nothing seems to make sense anymore....


brewcity77

That would be an IMMENSE transfer. Along with Hood, one of the biggest natural talents on the transfer wire. And along with Vandy, we're one of the biggest names on that list.

Ellenson Guerrero

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBNV9ixxPyU

Kid looks like a real talent. He would definitely create a nice 1-2 punch at the three spot with Deonte in 2013.
"What we take for-granted, others pray for..." - Brent Williams 3/30/14

Dawson Rental

#6
Quote from: AWegrzyn17 on April 27, 2012, 04:31:57 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBNV9ixxPyU

Kid looks like a real talent. He would definitely create a nice 1-2 punch at the three spot with Deonte in 2013.

Rather than looking at the HS footage from last year that convinced Duke to offer him a scholarship, I'd rather see the practice footage from Duke this year that convinced Gbinije that there wasn't much playing time in his future at Duke.

Hood had a very good freshman season at Mississippi State.  That's what makes him an awesome transfer prospect, and its what makes him a typical Louisville transfer.  Louisville doesn't take kids that didn't get it done at their first stop.  They take guys who proved themselves and want to move up a level in competition.
You actually have a degree from Marquette?

Quote from: muguru
No...and after reading many many psosts from people on this board that do...I have to say I'm MUCH better off, if this is the type of "intelligence" a degree from MU gets you. It sure is on full display I will say that.

esotericmindguy

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on April 27, 2012, 02:25:02 PM

Nothing seems to make sense anymore....

I agree, is this program a mess or is this how it works now? I don't follow any other teams, but the number of transfers/cuts is getting absurd.

Dawson Rental

Quote from: esotericmindguy on April 27, 2012, 04:51:21 PM
I agree, is this program a mess or is this how it works now? I don't follow any other teams, but the number of transfers/cuts is getting absurd.

Welcome to the world of the perennial top 25, non-bubble NCAA tournament teams.
You actually have a degree from Marquette?

Quote from: muguru
No...and after reading many many psosts from people on this board that do...I have to say I'm MUCH better off, if this is the type of "intelligence" a degree from MU gets you. It sure is on full display I will say that.

Ellenson Guerrero

Quote from: LittleMurs on April 27, 2012, 04:42:20 PM
Rather than looking at the HS footage from last year that convinced Duke to offer him a scholarship, I'd rather see the practice footage from Duke this year that convinced Gbinije that there wasn't much playing time in his future at Duke.

Hood had a very good freshman season at Mississippi State.  That's what makes him an awesome transfer prospect, and its what makes him a typical Louisville transfer.  Louisville doesn't take kids that didn't get it done at their first stop.  They take guys who proved themselves and want to move up a level in competition.

Ya you are right. If a kid is a consensus top 30 recruit that doesn't manage to break the rotation at Duke as a freshman we shouldn't consider him. Hood would be great too, but I just don't see him coming here.
"What we take for-granted, others pray for..." - Brent Williams 3/30/14

LAZER

Quote from: LittleMurs on April 27, 2012, 04:57:23 PM
Welcome to the world of the perennial top 25, non-bubble NCAA tournament teams.
I think that's a cop out

Hards Alumni

Quote from: esotericmindguy on April 27, 2012, 04:51:21 PM
I agree, is this program a mess or is this how it works now? I don't follow any other teams, but the number of transfers/cuts is getting absurd.

Welcome to college basketball in 2012.  There are more and more transfers every year and no program is immune.

RubyWiscy

Welcome to college basketball in 2012.  There are more and more transfers every year and no program is immune.

...except Wisconsin...Oh, wait!

Hards Alumni

Quote from: LAZER on April 27, 2012, 05:12:27 PM
I think that's a cop out

Why is it a cop out?  Kids transfer because CBB isn't about getting an education for top schools.  Its about getting to the NBA, and if you can't break into the starting rotation at the school you are in,  you get out so you can showcase your game.

College basketball is just an audition for the NBA and European leagues.  If you can't accept it, then find a time machine and travel back to the 70s.

kmwtrucks

Jones leaving is because he is behind Vander and wilson and they are in the same class, and more then likely was going to be behind TJ and Juan.  He knows he is never going to be a starter, would you want to work that hard for 4 years and not play?  I'm happy that he can transfer somewhere and get playing time.  

Why do people have a problem with this?  

tower912

There are articles out there about the epidemic of transfers throughout college basketball.    On the scout board, I think silverwarrior had stats a year ago that a suprisingly high percentage (40% IIRC, but I won't swear to that) of players finish their careers at a different school than they started.   MU is not unusual; this isn't a Crean thing or a Buzz thing.    Wiscy is the outlier for the low number of transfers.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

tower912

Quote from: LAZER on April 27, 2012, 05:12:27 PM
I think that's a cop out

You think wrongly.   Do some research.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

LAZER

Quote from: tower912 on April 27, 2012, 05:21:08 PM
You think wrongly.   Do some research.

I'm not sure where to find it, but does anyone have a list of transfers from MU over the last 5-10 years compared to other schools?

I get that kids transfer a lot and it's inevitable but I'm not buying that MU's number of transfers is typical.

muguru

Quote from: tower912 on April 27, 2012, 05:21:08 PM
You think wrongly.   Do some research.

CBS sportsline has the transfer list at 375+. Think about that for a moment. That's an average of more than one per school.
"Being realistic is the most common path to mediocrity." Will Smith

We live in a society that rewards mediocrity , I detest mediocrity - David Goggi

I want this quote to serve as a reminder to the vast majority of scoop posters in regards to the MU BB program.

tower912

#19
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/18443369/2012-end-of-year-updated-transfer-list-300-plus-and-growing

375 this year as of 4/10.   More since then.    MU's transfer rate is not higher than average.

  http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/2011-03-06-college-basketball-transfers_N.htm

Somewhere around 10% of all college basketball players transfer.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/college-basketball-transfers-linked-play-me-now-culture/2012/04/21/gIQAOw9OYT_story.html
The point is that other than the outlier of Crean losing his entire 03-04 recruiting class, MU's transfers out are not outside the norm.   
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Dawson Rental

Quote from: LAZER on April 27, 2012, 05:28:18 PM
I'm not sure where to find it, but does anyone have a list of transfers from MU over the last 5-10 years compared to other schools?

I get that kids transfer a lot and it's inevitable but I'm not buying that MU's number of transfers is typical.

If you think about the situation, MU is really not doing so bad.  Buzz just completed year 4 of coaching, and only the third year where he had a chance to recruit before mid-April.  He's had tremendous success the last two years with sweet sixteen runs.  In three years he's gone from trying to fill a roster to trying to get guys who will allow him to sustain that type of success.  There is going to be turnover.  Probably would have been more with a lot of other coaches.  After this year, Buzz should have a relatively stable roster where he's able to mostly recruit to fill positions that are opening due to graduations.
You actually have a degree from Marquette?

Quote from: muguru
No...and after reading many many psosts from people on this board that do...I have to say I'm MUCH better off, if this is the type of "intelligence" a degree from MU gets you. It sure is on full display I will say that.

Aughnanure

Quote from: esotericmindguy on April 27, 2012, 04:51:21 PM
I agree, is this program a mess or is this how it works now? I don't follow any other teams, but the number of transfers/cuts is getting absurd.

No. Since when did one transfer make a program a mess?
“All men dream; but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity; but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act out their dreams with open eyes, to make it possible.” - T.E. Lawrence

brewcity77

Quote from: Aughnanure on April 27, 2012, 08:39:48 PM
No. Since when did one transfer make a program a mess?

But there was one last year too!

texaswarrior74

Gbinge is a great kid. He really wanted to play at UNC but was told he was behind James Michael McAdoo on their prospect list. He attended several late Night with Roy events and a number of games but when McAdoo committed, there was no room and he somewhat reluctantly went to dook knowing that their system and style of play was not to his advantage despite having promises made (and not kept) by K.

He'd be a great addition at MU.

Dawson Rental

Quote from: texaswarrior74 on April 27, 2012, 09:45:11 PM
Gbinge is a great kid. He really wanted to play at UNC but was told he was behind James Michael McAdoo on their prospect list. He attended several late Night with Roy events and a number of games but when McAdoo committed, there was no room and he somewhat reluctantly went to dook knowing that their system and style of play was not to his advantage despite having promises made (and not kept) by K.

He'd be a great addition at MU.

Great. Thanks for the insight.
You actually have a degree from Marquette?

Quote from: muguru
No...and after reading many many psosts from people on this board that do...I have to say I'm MUCH better off, if this is the type of "intelligence" a degree from MU gets you. It sure is on full display I will say that.

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