Durley granted release

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You may likely be right.  I can't believe that Enlund figured this out all on his own.

I can understand the decision, but it seems like a really sh1tty way to cut the kid by ripping him a new one in the media.

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So wait... Durley's own high school coach is in on it too?

Come on.

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So wait... Durley's own high school coach is in on it too?

Come on.

No I don't think so.  I think it was "suggested" to Enlund that he interview the coach...pulled a few quotes to sell the story...and the stage was set for what occurred Friday.

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No I don't think so.  I think it was "suggested" to Enlund that he interview the coach...pulled a few quotes to sell the story...and the stage was set for what occurred Friday.

Gotcha. That's a little better.

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Badgermaniac, Eric The Red and their minions went on an all-out Twitter assualt on the Twitter media types (Bilas, Freeman, Dauster, Seth Davis) to try and get Buzz inbetween their crosshairs.


Hasn't quite worked out for them.

Freeman replied with a 'Don't be a simpleton.'

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Okay...Taylor is a flex 3/4, Durley is an unquestioned 5. Not sure how many DNPs he had, but Durley averaged 7/5 behind a McDonald's All-American. But regardless...what big plays the 5 ahead of him in 2014? No one, because we have no other.

I don't know who our 5 starters will be in 2014, but I'd be willing to bet (assuming Buzz is here) that they're all better at basketball than Aaron Durley. Way better.

[SaveOD238]

I'm not going to rule out Durley eventually playing with MU until he signs somewhere else.  There's no reason he couldn't go prep and then come here or go JUCO and then come here if he improves.

[jficke13]

I'm not going to rule out Durley eventually playing with MU until he signs somewhere else.  There's no reason he couldn't go prep and then come here or go JUCO and then come here if he improves.

Has that ever happened? I mean, commit de-commits, spends a year or two in prep/juco and then re-commits? I can't think of a time that's happened, but I'd be interested to hear if it has.

[NotAnAlum]

No I don't think so.  I think it was "suggested" to Enlund that he interview the coach...pulled a few quotes to sell the story...and the stage was set for what occurred Friday.

So MU, which has up to this point been criticised for being inept at managing the press has sudden figured out a way to manipulate the Journal which most of you guys claim is out to get us.
Even if this far fetched scenario is true it still comes down to the kid didn't progress much in his senior year and MU is questioning (and rightly so) if he has BE talent and the will to make it.
Unless of course you feel the whole last few months have been a conspiracy where the coach didn't play Durley to screw up his stats make him look bad and then applied the coup de grace in the interview.  If you believe that I've got a grassy knoll you should check out.

[MUMac]

So MU, which has up to this point been criticised for being inept at managing the press has sudden figured out a way to manipulate the Journal which most of you guys claim is out to get us.
Even if this far fetched scenario is true it still comes down to the kid didn't progress much in his senior year and MU is questioning (and rightly so) if he has BE talent and the will to make it.
Unless of course you feel the whole last few months have been a conspiracy where the coach didn't play Durley to screw up his stats make him look bad and then applied the coup de grace in the interview.  If you believe that I've got a grassy knoll you should check out.

O k, then give your explanation as to why Enlund all of a sudden chose to interview the coach and write an article.  He hasn't shown any real interest in writing anything about any other MU recruit.  He hasn't really showed much of an interest in writing anything MU related since the season ended.  Yet, he wrote this one.  Other than your response above, dazzle us with your insight.

[Bocephys]

O k, then give your explanation as to why Enlund all of a sudden chose to interview the coach and write an article.  He hasn't shown any real interest in writing anything about any other MU recruit.  He hasn't really showed much of an interest in writing anything MU related since the season ended.  Yet, he wrote this one.  Other than your smarmy response above, dazzle us with your insight.

Obviously he reads this board and this is attempt at a peace offering towards us.

[MUBurrow]

Yeah, this was just far too out of the ordinary from everything we've seen out of Enlund to be a coincidence. 

FWIW, I think there's a difference between the beat man and the publication generally.  Of course the former takes marching orders from the latter, but for someone at the Al to call Enlund isn't like someone calling the editor of the JS or Potrykus or anything like that.  No one would have accused the JS of being a pro-MU publication over the past few years, yet I think we all pretty much agree that Rosiak was great.

[brewcity77]

I don't know who our 5 starters will be in 2014, but I'd be willing to bet (assuming Buzz is here) that they're all better at basketball than Aaron Durley. Way better.

Maybe so. Maybe not. Maybe it doesn't matter! We have zero bigs for 2014. Zero. None. Nada. Zip. Zilch. Empty set. Even if Durley wasn't going to start, that doesn't mean he couldn't have been a useful contributor off the bench, and I fail to see a downside with having a big, athletic five in the system with time to get experience.

If we land Jahlil Okafor or Cliff Alexander, we won't likely have any problems. Even Philip Nolan or Jameel McKay could help alleviate troubles we might face with no bigs in 2014. But having Durley here getting experience and growing wouldn't have been a bad thing. And having a guy at the end of the bench who doesn't contribute isn't a team-killer. I just like the idea of balancing the classes, and not having any room for additional bigs between now and then means at the very least we will likely end up unbalanced at center. 2 seniors and no one else in 2013-14, no one experienced in the system in 2014-15.

Bottom line, no one has answered the original question of what legitimate big (and not just because a guy is 6'7"-6'8", but actually a post) plays ahead of him in 2014 that we have in the pipeline?

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O k, then give your explanation as to why Enlund all of a sudden chose to interview the coach and write an article.  He hasn't shown any real interest in writing anything about any other MU recruit.  He hasn't really showed much of an interest in writing anything MU related since the season ended.  Yet, he wrote this one.  Other than your response above, dazzle us with your insight.

And don't forget, he wrote his article just three days before he was "released."  Here is what I said at the time:

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=32240.msg385754#msg385754

[NotAnAlum]

You guys all have "Newbillitus" and are building this into some big dark deal because you think it shows a pattern of unethical behavior.  The Newbill situation was bad.  The kid had a great senior year, his coach said he was getting better and better.  Buzz heard about a local kid we had missed on in the past (Wilson) and Newbill (who would also have played the same small forward position) was cut loose.  That is bad, I agree.
In this case we take a flyer on a kid with the expectation he will improve and get minutes his second year as a back-up.  The kid doesn't improve, his coach says he doesn't improve and the playing landscape at MU changes.  NOT because we recruited someone over him but because our player, who we should have more loyalty to, wants a medical redshirt.
I wouldn't lose any sleep at all on this one.  If anything MU did the most humane thing they could have done.

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You guys all have "Newbillitus" and are building this into some big dark deal because you think it shows a pattern of unethical behavior.  The Newbill situation was bad.  The kid had a great senior year, his coach said he was getting better and better.  Buzz heard about a local kid we had missed on in the past (Wilson) and Newbill (who would also have played the same small forward position) was cut loose.  That is bad, I agree.
In this case we take a flyer on a kid with the expectation he will improve and get minutes his second year as a back-up.  The kid doesn't improve, his coach says he doesn't improve and the playing landscape at MU changes.  NOT because we recruited someone over him but because our player, who we should have more loyalty to, wants a medical redshirt.
I wouldn't lose any sleep at all on this one.  If anything MU did the most humane thing they could have done.

We are talking about two different things....

1.  The release from the NLI...which IMO is unethical regardless of...

2.  Enlund's article and whether or not it was "suggested" by someone with connections to mubb.

So I have already fallen into the unethical camp regardless if I am right about Enlund.

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So I have already fallen into the unethical camp regardless if I am right about Enlund.

+1.

Unless Durley or Courtney come out and say, "Durley didn't belong in the BE and both parties agreed to take different roads" this is a sleazy situation.

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So I have already fallen into the unethical camp regardless if I am right about Enlund.

Admitting your fall is the first step towards redemption.

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+1.

Unless Durley or Courtney come out and say, "Durley didn't belong in the BE and both parties agreed to take different roads" this is a sleazy situation.

Courtney has already said as much and demonstrated (by never playing him) that in his view Durley doesn't belong in the Big East. Don't know how Durley or his Mom feel about his game - but I don't think it's particularly relevant.

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Courtney has already said as much and demonstrated (by never playing him) that in his view Durley doesn't belong in the Big East. Don't know how Durley or his Mom feel about his game - but I don't think it's particularly relevant.

That doesn't mean that Durley wasn't planning on being here or wanted to be here.

Courtney can say as much as he wants, someone needs to say both parties agreed...until then... sleazy.

[Bocephys]

That doesn't mean that Durley wasn't planning on being here or wanted to be here.

Courtney can say as much as he wants, someone needs to say both parties agreed...until then... sleazy.

Both parties agreed.  I have no source nor inside knowledge, I just wanted PTM to feel better about things.

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Both parties agreed.  I have no source nor inside knowledge, I just wanted PTM to feel better about things.

Makes me feel a bit better, thank you.

[MUBurrow]

Courtney has already said as much and demonstrated (by never playing him) that in his view Durley doesn't belong in the Big East. Don't know how Durley or his Mom feel about his game - but I don't think it's particularly relevant.

?? I didn't know that Courtney signed a LOI.

[MUMac]

You guys all have "Newbillitus" and are building this into some big dark deal because you think it shows a pattern of unethical behavior.  The Newbill situation was bad.  The kid had a great senior year, his coach said he was getting better and better.  Buzz heard about a local kid we had missed on in the past (Wilson) and Newbill (who would also have played the same small forward position) was cut loose.  That is bad, I agree.
In this case we take a flyer on a kid with the expectation he will improve and get minutes his second year as a back-up.  The kid doesn't improve, his coach says he doesn't improve and the playing landscape at MU changes.  NOT because we recruited someone over him but because our player, who we should have more loyalty to, wants a medical redshirt.
I wouldn't lose any sleep at all on this one.  If anything MU did the most humane thing they could have done.

Yeah, I didn't think you would have anything.  All you did was sarcastically attack Sultan in your previous thread.  When asked for the explanation, you have none.  You would have been better ignoring it all together, quite honestly.

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?? I didn't know that Courtney signed a LOI.

I was respoding to PTM. Talk to him if you think Courtney's opinion is irrelevant.