Buzz & Trent Lockett

[Lennys Tap]

Who said a "young" teenager is only 13 or 14?  Every teenager is young to me, and I'm not even middle aged.

50 is young to me. That said, if someone can be in his "early teens" or "late teens" (or 20's, 30's etc.), doesn't it make sense that one who qualifies a teenager as a young one means early and not late teens? After all, Durley is still in his teens and the poster was obviously referring to a time in the past.

[Hoopaloop]

And I agree with you Hoop regarding LOIs.

You and I are probably just a few.  Commitment should be a two way thing.  Releasing someone from a letter before they come to campus limits their options for that season in a number of ways.  They cannot transfer within that same conference (if conference has that rule), scholarship opportunities may be gone, they look like they could be damaged goods because the original school dropped them at the last minute.

From a NCAA perspective, I believe they should force schools to honor letters of intent for that first year.

[Lennys Tap]

You and I are probably just a few.  Commitment should be a two way thing.  Releasing someone from a letter before they come to campus limits their options for that season in a number of ways.  They cannot transfer within that same conference (if conference has that rule), scholarship opportunities may be gone, they look like they could be damaged goods because the original school dropped them at the last minute.

From a NCAA perspective, I believe they should force schools to honor letters of intent for that first year.

So you think Roseboro should have been forced to stay at MU even though it was clear to him after a couple of weeks on campus that he was in way over his head? That's cold, man.

[jesmu84]

You and I are probably just a few.  Commitment should be a two way thing.  Releasing someone from a letter before they come to campus limits their options for that season in a number of ways.  They cannot transfer within that same conference (if conference has that rule), scholarship opportunities may be gone, they look like they could be damaged goods because the original school dropped them at the last minute.

From a NCAA perspective, I believe they should force schools to honor letters of intent for that first year.

Not that I disagree with you, but what about kids transferring out at the last second, or midyear, or anything else? Mbakwe comes to mind in regards to MU

Slightly related... I do like the idea that's been tossed around by the NCAA of schools being able to offer multi-year scholarships up front. Not sure how that would effect MU, but it seems like it could entice certain recruits.

[Goose]

Kids leaving program on their own is actually more harmful to program than other way around in many cases. Many times coaches are doing a kid a favor by giving them walking papers. Do think it is very important to be handled with class and walk the kid through the reasoning behind decision. To have a kid in over his head is not fair to kid.

My only gripe with Buzz is he might make too many offers to kids and gets caught with pants down. He is not yet in position to cherry pick his list and I think he is playing the game perfectly.

[GGGG]

You and I are probably just a few.  Commitment should be a two way thing.  Releasing someone from a letter before they come to campus limits their options for that season in a number of ways.  They cannot transfer within that same conference (if conference has that rule), scholarship opportunities may be gone, they look like they could be damaged goods because the original school dropped them at the last minute.

From a NCAA perspective, I believe they should force schools to honor letters of intent for that first year.

They already do.  That doesn't mean that schools can't find a way to get around it...like they did with Newbill.

[JTBMU7]

the bottom line is that college basketball recruiting might be the grossest thing ever... aau circuits, agents, holding players back, sleezbag college coaches, limelight grubbing parnets... yuck. MU is not above any of it, they just arent as bad as most, i think...

the reality is few people will care if you win. the recruiting cycle is an accepted part of the game and everyone just plays their part...

[jesmu84]

the bottom line is that college basketball recruiting might be the grossest thing ever... aau circuits, agents, holding players back, sleezbag college coaches, limelight grubbing parnets... yuck. MU is not above any of it, they just arent as bad as most, i think...

the reality is few people will care if you win. the recruiting cycle is an accepted part of the game and everyone just plays their part...

i literally have no info, but is BB recruiting worse than FB?

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

i literally have no info, but is BB recruiting worse than FB?

No chance.

[MU82]

Durley had a 90+ fastball as a young teenager. The guy has skills.

Are you sure it wasn't 100+? And maybe he was a .600 hitter, too. And, sources say, he could leap tall buildings in a single bound.

[JTBMU7]

i literally have no info, but is BB recruiting worse than FB?

not even close. for a few main reasons...

1) Hoops has a private circuit, AAU and travel teams, this adds so much sleez to the process. When you recruit a football player, you essentially deal with his high school coach and parents, not really anyone else who would be involved. When you go after a BB kid, you have parents, AAU coaches, high school coaches, etc... who all know what's best more than you do.
2) kids in high school hoops are so much closer to the pros than in FB. football players know they have no option but to go to college for 3-4 years and may need to put in their work on the bench for 2 years before getting a chance to make their case for the draft.
3) High school hoops players have 3-4 options depending on their situation: D1, JuCo, Prep, or even Europe. You really have to GET the players as opposed to them coming to you...

compare that to players in the the BCS title game, LSU vs Bama... 90% of the players on each team were from their home team's state OR a neighboring/regional state. Look at MU's roster. WV, Cali, Florida, Alaska, Wisco, Texas, Toronto... Those D linemne from Stanktown AL were recruited by maybe 4 schools, Auburn and AL and two other local Alabama schools, and they went to Bama/Aub. A kid like Jamil Wilson is being called on by teams from Wisconsin to Oregon. And he wasnt even an "elite" guy...

So, in closing, college hoops recruiting is really gross.

[dgies9156]

not even close. for a few main reasons...

compare that to players in the the BCS title game, LSU vs Bama... 90% of the players on each team were from their home team's state OR a neighboring/regional state. Look at MU's roster. WV, Cali, Florida, Alaska, Wisco, Texas, Toronto... Those D linemne from Stanktown AL were recruited by maybe 4 schools, Auburn and AL and two other local Alabama schools, and they went to Bama/Aub. A kid like Jamil Wilson is being called on by teams from Wisconsin to Oregon. And he wasnt even an "elite" guy..

Look, of the 10 players starting in the NCAA Championship game, none were from Kentucky or Kansas, both historical basketball hotbeds. In fact, only one of Kansas' starters was from even close to Kansas -- Kansas City, MO. Only one of Kentucky's was from anywhere near Kentucky -- Indiana. Look it up!

By contrast, of our starters, at least two were from Wisconsin. Vander and Jamil Wilson. We're recruiting in Wisconsin as well as nationally and seem to be finding NCAA caliber talent here at home. Moreover, Marquette's traditional territory has been Catholic schools from the East and Midwest and we continue to do OK in these as well. Not sure how much of our bench was cheeseheads and flatlanders, but I'll bet there were a few.

You can argue about the coverage we got last year, but you can't argue that Marquette is sticking to its roots. I'm happy that our roots now reach Texas, but if there is a quality player from Wisconsin, you can bet Buzz is on it.

[Dawson Rental]

My comments are a leap.  But, in Buzz, I trust.

Durley had a 90+ fastball as a young teenager. The guy has skills.

So, what you're saying is that he'll be light years ahead of where Yancy Gates was as a senior in one respect.  When he throws a basketball at an opposing player some serious damage will get done.

[wadesworld]

not even close. for a few main reasons...

1) Hoops has a private circuit, AAU and travel teams, this adds so much sleez to the process. When you recruit a football player, you essentially deal with his high school coach and parents, not really anyone else who would be involved. When you go after a BB kid, you have parents, AAU coaches, high school coaches, etc... who all know what's best more than you do.
2) kids in high school hoops are so much closer to the pros than in FB. football players know they have no option but to go to college for 3-4 years and may need to put in their work on the bench for 2 years before getting a chance to make their case for the draft.
3) High school hoops players have 3-4 options depending on their situation: D1, JuCo, Prep, or even Europe. You really have to GET the players as opposed to them coming to you...

compare that to players in the the BCS title game, LSU vs Bama... 90% of the players on each team were from their home team's state OR a neighboring/regional state. Look at MU's roster. WV, Cali, Florida, Alaska, Wisco, Texas, Toronto... Those D linemne from Stanktown AL were recruited by maybe 4 schools, Auburn and AL and two other local Alabama schools, and they went to Bama/Aub. A kid like Jamil Wilson is being called on by teams from Wisconsin to Oregon. And he wasnt even an "elite" guy...

So, in closing, college hoops recruiting is really gross.

Haha, no.  In college football boosters, boosters, and more boosters are involved, much, much, much more than in basketball.  That is where the most sleeze, by far, is found in recruiting of any sport.  (Most/smart) Coaches will not get involved in the sleeze, whether it is basketball or football.  It happens through people that are not "involved" in the programs.

You're acting like high level college football recruits do not have a "circle" of "hangers on," do not think ahead to making money in the game, and do not have big heads.  You really think big time football coaches just go into a top recruits house and tell them "We have 2 quarterbacks ahead of you on our depth chart for the next 2 years, but you can't go to the NFL after that anyways so it's OK, and we're the state school so you aren't leaving the state, so come play for me!" and the recruit's like "OK cool coach!"  No.  These kids are the cockiest of cocky kids and have hundreds of people talking into their ears.

The reason schools like Alabama and LSU have all in-state kids is because those are recruiting hot-beds and those are the best football schools in the country.  The south is where high school football (and college) is LIFE.  If I'm a big-time college football recruit, whether I am from Alabama or Alaska, chances are Alabama and LSU are somewhere high on my list.  Alabama has a ton of top players, so why would those kids leave when they know they can win National Championships and get to the NFL by staying close to home?  It would be like if Kentucky had 30 of the top 150 recruits in basketball.  Do you think those kids are going to be going all over?  These football players are recruited by EVERY school in the country.  It's not like USC is sitting there saying "Well, this top ranked QB is from Florida, so we're not going to recruit him."  Absolutely not.

Football is as dirty as it gets.  And it's not even close.

[Hards Alumni]

Haha, no.  In college football boosters, boosters, and more boosters are involved, much, much, much more than in basketball.  That is where the most sleeze, by far, is found in recruiting of any sport.  (Most/smart) Coaches will not get involved in the sleeze, whether it is basketball or football.  It happens through people that are not "involved" in the programs.

You're acting like high level college football recruits do not have a "circle" of "hangers on," do not think ahead to making money in the game, and do not have big heads.  You really think big time football coaches just go into a top recruits house and tell them "We have 2 quarterbacks ahead of you on our depth chart for the next 2 years, but you can't go to the NFL after that anyways so it's OK, and we're the state school so you aren't leaving the state, so come play for me!" and the recruit's like "OK cool coach!"  No.  These kids are the cockiest of cocky kids and have hundreds of people talking into their ears.

The reason schools like Alabama and LSU have all in-state kids is because those are recruiting hot-beds and those are the best football schools in the country.  The south is where high school football (and college) is LIFE.  If I'm a big-time college football recruit, whether I am from Alabama or Alaska, chances are Alabama and LSU are somewhere high on my list.  Alabama has a ton of top players, so why would those kids leave when they know they can win National Championships and get to the NFL by staying close to home?  It would be like if Kentucky had 30 of the top 150 recruits in basketball.  Do you think those kids are going to be going all over?  These football players are recruited by EVERY school in the country.  It's not like USC is sitting there saying "Well, this top ranked QB is from Florida, so we're not going to recruit him."  Absolutely not.

Football is as dirty as it gets.  And it's not even close.

Agreed, and there are about 10x as many football fans as there are CBB fans.  And the money aspect isn't even close.

CFB is so far ahead of CBB in scum it isn't even close.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

For those of you who follow recruiting pretty closely, is there any new information on Marquette and Lockett? He seems to be to be a perfect fit, and a great opportunity to immediately replace DJO's scoring. I know UMN is interested, and is probably Trent's first choice, but they are already a scholorship over.

I would hate to see a transfer, and as some others have said, I sure as sh!t hope it isnt Anderson (he's going to be a stud). But, this is one of those rare oppotunities that you just have to make it work. This is all assuming that he would for sure be given the waiver to play this coming year.

[Lennys Tap]

Are you sure it wasn't 100+? And maybe he was a .600 hitter, too. And, sources say, he could leap tall buildings in a single bound.

Durley = Sid Finch

[JTBMU7]

Haha, no.  In college football boosters, boosters, and more boosters are involved, much, much, much more than in basketball.  That is where the most sleeze, by far, is found in recruiting of any sport.  (Most/smart) Coaches will not get involved in the sleeze, whether it is basketball or football.  It happens through people that are not "involved" in the programs.

You're acting like high level college football recruits do not have a "circle" of "hangers on," do not think ahead to making money in the game, and do not have big heads.  You really think big time football coaches just go into a top recruits house and tell them "We have 2 quarterbacks ahead of you on our depth chart for the next 2 years, but you can't go to the NFL after that anyways so it's OK, and we're the state school so you aren't leaving the state, so come play for me!" and the recruit's like "OK cool coach!"  No.  These kids are the cockiest of cocky kids and have hundreds of people talking into their ears.

The reason schools like Alabama and LSU have all in-state kids is because those are recruiting hot-beds and those are the best football schools in the country.  The south is where high school football (and college) is LIFE.  If I'm a big-time college football recruit, whether I am from Alabama or Alaska, chances are Alabama and LSU are somewhere high on my list.  Alabama has a ton of top players, so why would those kids leave when they know they can win National Championships and get to the NFL by staying close to home?  It would be like if Kentucky had 30 of the top 150 recruits in basketball.  Do you think those kids are going to be going all over?  These football players are recruited by EVERY school in the country.  It's not like USC is sitting there saying "Well, this top ranked QB is from Florida, so we're not going to recruit him."  Absolutely not.

Football is as dirty as it gets.  And it's not even close.

I don't disagree with you that football recruiting is dirty as well, they're both ugly, but basketball is still worse. Boosters are not the same as AAU coaches, they have nothing to do with access to a player, they just help buy them off/cover it up. I'm not talking about a kid's entourage or hangers-on, I'm talking about coaches, who essentially have ownership of these kids, and can influence a player's decision one way or another.

How is it that we know the names of all the best AAU teams, and most of the times, the names of their coaches/owners? that kind of circuit just doesn't exist in CFB recruiting, or at least not to the same extent due to there being 50x more players that need to be brought on.

Also, you are off base on the football talent in the south. Yes there is an abundance of it, but the places that most SEC kids are coming out of are not recruited by anyone else outside of the SEC/ACC... Marcell Dareus? Came from Birmingham, had offers from Auburn, Bama, Clemson, Arkansas... Julio Jones? Came from Foley Alabama, had offers from Bama, Auburn, FL, FSU, LSU... How about biggest recruits from the north? Terrell Pryor, OSU, UM , PSU.... Just a few examples, but trust me, big ten coaches are not taking trips to Foley AL to check out linemen or receivers... nor is Saban/Miles coming up to Aliquippa for anyone either.

[real chili 83]

Durley = Sid Finch

You might be right .

We should know fairly quickly is he can play.  He has gone through a huge growth spurt in the past couple of years.  He is wearing a size 19 shoe.  Let's see if Buzz can mold him. 

Everything I read is that this kid has his head on straight.  I love it when our team has the problem of how to develop three bigs at the same time.

[JWags85]

I don't disagree with you that football recruiting is dirty as well, they're both ugly, but basketball is still worse. Boosters are not the same as AAU coaches, they have nothing to do with access to a player, they just help buy them off/cover it up. I'm not talking about a kid's entourage or hangers-on, I'm talking about coaches, who essentially have ownership of these kids, and can influence a player's decision one way or another.

How is it that we know the names of all the best AAU teams, and most of the times, the names of their coaches/owners? that kind of circuit just doesn't exist in CFB recruiting, or at least not to the same extent due to there being 50x more players that need to be brought on.

Also, you are off base on the football talent in the south. Yes there is an abundance of it, but the places that most SEC kids are coming out of are not recruited by anyone else outside of the SEC/ACC... Marcell Dareus? Came from Birmingham, had offers from Auburn, Bama, Clemson, Arkansas... Julio Jones? Came from Foley Alabama, had offers from Bama, Auburn, FL, FSU, LSU... How about biggest recruits from the north? Terrell Pryor, OSU, UM , PSU.... Just a few examples, but trust me, big ten coaches are not taking trips to Foley AL to check out linemen or receivers... nor is Saban/Miles coming up to Aliquippa for anyone either.

College basketball is way more wide open year to year than college football.  Preseason top 5 teams have a much easier time getting to a national championship than in CBB.  As a result those schools are way more effective in putting up a fence around their talent.

Remember Mark Ingram, little Heisman winner for Bama?  Hometown?  Flint, MI.  Stay in state, UW has long gotten their linemen and linebackers from the Midwest and gotten skill players from the South in places like Florida.  Football isn't nearly as provincial as you want to make it out to be.

You want another contributing factor?  Some of this kids from the South were playing in front of 25K people regularly all through HS.  That sort of ego is just as pervasive as an AAU coach.

[Abode4life]

I don't really pay attention to college football recruiting, but has anyone ever read "Play Their Hearts Out"?  Its about the AAU circuit and recruiting/agents/runners.  It was a REALLY interesting book and i would highly suggest it.

http://georgedohrmann.com/play-their-hearts-out

[MU82]

You might be right .

We should know fairly quickly is he can play.  He has gone through a huge growth spurt in the past couple of years.  He is wearing a size 19 shoe.  Let's see if Buzz can mold him. 

Everything I read is that this kid has his head on straight.  I love it when our team has the problem of how to develop three bigs at the same time.

Of course, it also would be swell if we had a big who was already mostly developed! In due time, perhaps ...

[THEultimateWARRIOR]

Can we get back on topic? The thread is about Buzz & Trent Lockett. Buzz met with him so there has got to be someone with insider information about this.

[real chili 83]

Can we get back on topic? The thread is about Buzz & Trent Lockett. Buzz met with him so there has got to be someone with insider information about this.

Here's a link to a thread on this from the Gopherhole.  They don't think he is coming to MN.
http://www.forums.gopherhole.com/boards/showthread.php?37220-Trent-Lockett-granted-release-to-be-quot-closer-to-home-quot-UPDATED-(4-10)-Marq-Leading

[THEultimateWARRIOR]

Here's a link to a thread on this from the Gopherhole.  They don't think he is coming to MN.
http://www.forums.gopherhole.com/boards/showthread.php?37220-Trent-Lockett-granted-release-to-be-quot-closer-to-home-quot-UPDATED-(4-10)-Marq-Leading

Thanks chili, I noticed that the Badgers were recruiting him out of high school and with the latest transfer do you think the Badgers have a shot? I really like how quick Buzz got on this. Looks like he beat most to the punch.