new draftnet doesn't have DJO or Jae being drafted, Draft Express has both in R2

[bamamarquettefan]

I haven't looked back to see which is a more accurate predictor, but hopefully it's draftexpress rather than nbadraft.net.  Draftnet didn't have either in the draft or even in the top 50 seniors all year, before putting Jae in the 2nd round for a few weeks late.  However, they updated tomorrow and again have neither going.

http://www.nbadraft.net/2012mock_draft

Draft Express has had DJO in all year, and added Jae late.  Now they still have both as pretty solid, with DJO as the 38th pick and Jae as the 42nd pick of 60.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2012/

Hoping Draft Express is right!

[brewcity77]

Really surprised neither is going to Portsmouth. It worked so well for JFB last year, seems like it could really benefit those guys as well. Clearly they're more confident of their chances than nbadraft.net is.

[martyconlonontherun]

nbadraft.net is pretty bad and is only so big because they are good at listing names and have an awesome site name. Draft Express does a real good job.

I wouldn't be surprised to DJO to go undrafted he seems like an undersized, 1-tool player. Don't get me wrong, hell of a college player, but I just don't see it translating. Jae I would draft in the second but I don't think he will break a 8-man rotation in the NBA. Hope I'm wrong.

[Skitch]

Really surprised neither is going to Portsmouth. It worked so well for JFB last year, seems like it could really benefit those guys as well. Clearly they're more confident of their chances than nbadraft.net is.

Can you just decide to go there or is this an invite only type thing?

[martyconlonontherun]

Can you just decide to go there or is this an invite only type thing?

Invite, but I think Crowder turned it down.

[Dreadman24]

Thats no big deal. They will both be drafted im pretty confident about that.

[Ellenson Guerrero]

Has anyone been able to find any data on the number of second round picks that end up making a roster by the end on training camp. I know that many have noted the potential benefits of going undrafted rather than second round but what are the chances of second rounders actually making the roster? Obviously many teams take foreigners with potential in the second round, but you could factor international players out.

[DavantesInferno]

Invite, but I think Crowder turned it down.

What is usually a player's reasoning for turning down the Portsmouth?

[DomJamesToTheBasket]

What is usually a player's reasoning for turning down the Portsmouth?

The belief that they don't need to elevate their stock to be invited to the combine.  If you are likely to get drafted,  you are invited to the combine.  Those that are on the bubble often attend Portsmouth to prove their worthiness of attending the combine.  Likewise,  others on the bubble choose not to attend Portsmouth because without an exceptional showing,  they risk losing an invite to the combine.  Scouts don't take the Portsmouth very seriously at all.  The stands are a ghost town after the first 1-2 days.  DJO and Jae are taking a risk as no-shows,  but they are high profile players that should be invited to the combine without excelling at Portsmouth.

[The Equalizer]

nbadraft.net is pretty bad and is only so big because they are good at listing names and have an awesome site name. Draft Express does a real good job.

And

I haven't looked back to see which is a more accurate predictor, but hopefully it's draftexpress rather than nbadraft.net.  Draftnet didn't have either in the draft or even in the top 50 seniors all year, before putting Jae in the 2nd round for a few weeks late.  However, they updated tomorrow and again have neither going.

I dedcided to take a look at the final 2011 mock drafts in both Draft Express and NBADraft.net.

First, there is no basis to the comment that NBADraft.net is bad and Draft Express is better.

NBA Draft net accurately predicted 26 of the 30 first round picks as first rounders, and 50 of the 60 overall picks
Draft express accurately predicted 25 of the 30 first round picks, and 51 of 60 overall.

Both mocks had some variation from the actual draft positions.  For example, both thought Valanciunas wild be the #4 pick--he actually went 5th. Both mocks had only 10 players each predicted at their exact draft position. The average variation between the prediction and the actual was 4.28 for NBAdraft.net and 5.70 for Draft Express.

Using 2011 data I'd give a VERY slight edge to NBADraft net, but its really nsigificant.

For both mock drafts, virtually all the mistakes on players in/out of the draft were on players late in the 2nd round. 9 of the 10 players NBADraft.Net missed were beteween 50 and 60.  Draft Express was slighly better among their last 10 predictions, but slightly worse between 40 and 50 (preditcing 3 players in that range that weren't drafted at all).

The worst mistake by NBAdraft net was predicting Bogdanovic at #49 overall.  He went 31st overal.
The worst mistake by DraftExpress was predicting Cory Joseph at 50th overall--he went 29th.

So I don't think one can conclude anything from these two comparisions.  The biggest thing to keep in mind is that these mocks will change--the ones to look at will be the final ones just before the draft. 

[bamamarquettefan]

Thank you for figuring that out - I will keep looking at both equally based on your evidence.  Based on that, it's probably unusual that they would have such different opinions on Jae and DJO.  I am guessing this is based on the fact that both pass the eye test and put up NBA-worthy numbers BUT both are obviously undersized for their position.  It still seems to me that DJO has a better shot than Jerel because while short for his position, he is certainly strong enough to play a 2. 

I am hoping Jae skipped Portsmouth because he got some great feedback after dominating the east-west all-star game and figured he could play any better than that performance - so why not just let that stand - but that is a complete guess.  Obvoiusly being 6-6 is a problem for Jae as a front line player, but if scouts feel he can guard most 2, 3, or 4 in the league, then he seems to be a solid pick who gives you something, whether or not he is in the normal 8-man rotation.

[Otule's Glass Eye]

I read nbadraft.net, draftexpress and the espn draft pages regularly and it seems like draft.net copies espn.

[RawdogDX]

And

I dedcided to take a look at the final 2011 mock drafts in both Draft Express and NBADraft.net.

First, there is no basis to the comment that NBADraft.net is bad and Draft Express is better.

NBA Draft net accurately predicted 26 of the 30 first round picks as first rounders, and 50 of the 60 overall picks
Draft express accurately predicted 25 of the 30 first round picks, and 51 of 60 overall.

Both mocks had some variation from the actual draft positions.  For example, both thought Valanciunas wild be the #4 pick--he actually went 5th. Both mocks had only 10 players each predicted at their exact draft position. The average variation between the prediction and the actual was 4.28 for NBAdraft.net and 5.70 for Draft Express.

Using 2011 data I'd give a VERY slight edge to NBADraft net, but its really nsigificant.

For both mock drafts, virtually all the mistakes on players in/out of the draft were on players late in the 2nd round. 9 of the 10 players NBADraft.Net missed were beteween 50 and 60.  Draft Express was slighly better among their last 10 predictions, but slightly worse between 40 and 50 (preditcing 3 players in that range that weren't drafted at all).

The worst mistake by NBAdraft net was predicting Bogdanovic at #49 overall.  He went 31st overal.
The worst mistake by DraftExpress was predicting Cory Joseph at 50th overall--he went 29th.

So I don't think one can conclude anything from these two comparisions.  The biggest thing to keep in mind is that these mocks will change--the ones to look at will be the final ones just before the draft. 

Great post.  Shows how teams do crazy things at the end of the first round.  A lot of reaches happen.