Meaning behind UK's potential championship

[jesmu84]

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7744477/john-calipari-anthony-davis-kentucky-march-final-four-means-college-basketball

Good read. If the suggested outcomes did come to pass, I'd think Marquette would benefit by possibly getting some of the best 4 year talent available. Not sure how that'd translate vs. a team of one-and-dones though

[warthog-driver]

The meaning of UK's trip to the Final Four is an opportunity for Calipari to have yet another season "vacated"

[GGGG]

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7744477/john-calipari-anthony-davis-kentucky-march-final-four-means-college-basketball

Good read. If the suggested outcomes did come to pass, I'd think Marquette would benefit by possibly getting some of the best 4 year talent available. Not sure how that'd translate vs. a team of one-and-dones though

"And the result will be a radical amplification of what the game has already become: There will be five schools sharing the 25 best players in the country, and all the lesser programs will kill each other for the right to lose to those five schools in the Sweet 16."

Does this mean Larry Williams is right???

[MarquetteDano]

Calipari's team will have no impact on the little guy nor miracle runs to the Final Four ala VCU.

I am more worried about the NCAA and NBA than him.  Hearing things like 30 second shot clocks and convincing the NBA to force obvious pros to pretend to be a student for three years versus one year will do more damage than Calipari's cheating ways will ever do.

[JWags85]

I am more worried about the NCAA and NBA than him.  Hearing things like 30 second shot clocks and convincing the NBA to force obvious pros to pretend to be a student for three years versus one year will do more damage than Calipari's cheating ways will ever do.

You mean like how it damaged college football?  For all that is wrong with the BCS and conference realignment, mandating that players stay for 3 years is great for the college game.  If these kids don't want to fulfill the student portion, then they become Fab Melo.

[MarquetteDano]

You mean like how it damaged college football?  For all that is wrong with the BCS and conference realignment, mandating that players stay for 3 years is great for the college game.  If these kids don't want to fulfill the student portion, then they become Fab Melo.

I don't follow college football closely enough to know whether it has helped there.  I do know there is a big difference between a 19 year old basketball player and football player.

I also know that someone who never intends on taking class seriously or graduating that taking three years of only 13 available scholarships I would rather it be someone who needs the degree.  If someone wants to earn a living playing basketball they should be allowed to.  The only reason the NCAA wants the NBA to change it to three years has nothing to do with the welfare of the kids... it means more stars for a longer time and thus more $$$.

[Lennys Tap]

The meaning of UK's trip to the Final Four is an opportunity for Calipari to have yet another season "vacated"

There was an article in the Chicago Tribune last Saturday about the Tom Crean/John Calipari relationship. Evidently, now that Kelvin Sampson has been kicked out of the business "Coach Cal" is TC's best (only?) friend in the business. If that doesn't make IU fans squirm....

[MUBurrow]

I personally thought this article wasn't saying anything at all. The thesis is basically, "If UK wins, everyone will try to be like Cal." You mean like Coach K recruiting Austin Rivers?  You mean that all the teams in the country will try to get the best players regardless of long they're going to stay on campus? Too late Chuck, that's been happening since the Fab Five. If you want to trace the 1-and-done "professionalizing" of CBball to anything, tie it to the installation of the one-year rule, which encouraged all coaches to go after 1 and dones more than it discouraged it. At least in small part before the rule, premier programs were getting spooked by borderline HS--> Pro prospects after things like the Sebastian Telfair situation (left LVille at the altar).  That was messing up recruiting classes more than Coach K and Cal knowing they had one year with their studs.

[lab_warrior]

I personally thought this article wasn't saying anything at all. The thesis is basically, "If UK wins, everyone will try to be like Cal." You mean like Coach K recruiting Austin Rivers?  You mean that all the teams in the country will try to get the best players regardless of long they're going to stay on campus? Too late Chuck, that's been happening since the Fab Five. If you want to trace the 1-and-done "professionalizing" of CBball to anything, tie it to the installation of the one-year rule, which encouraged all coaches to go after 1 and dones more than it discouraged it. At least in small part before the rule, premier programs were getting spooked by borderline HS--> Pro prospects after things like the Sebastian Telfair situation (left LVille at the altar).  That was messing up recruiting classes more than Coach K and Cal knowing they had one year with their studs.

I couldn't agree more.  Fab Five, Carmelo Anthony...all this was in the works WAY before this KU team.  And this column doesn't exist had Kentucky done their usual thing, and self destructed pre-Final Four like the last few years.   

I also find it hard to take seriously, the comment about the top 12-15 teams having all of the talent, and the others beating each other up to get to the Sweet 16, when G.Mason, Butler (x2), VCU, have gotten to Final Fours.

[MarquetteDano]

I personally thought this article wasn't saying anything at all. The thesis is basically, "If UK wins, everyone will try to be like Cal." You mean like Coach K recruiting Austin Rivers?  You mean that all the teams in the country will try to get the best players regardless of long they're going to stay on campus? Too late Chuck, that's been happening since the Fab Five. If you want to trace the 1-and-done "professionalizing" of CBball to anything, tie it to the installation of the one-year rule, which encouraged all coaches to go after 1 and dones more than it discouraged it. At least in small part before the rule, premier programs were getting spooked by borderline HS--> Pro prospects after things like the Sebastian Telfair situation (left LVille at the altar).  That was messing up recruiting classes more than Coach K and Cal knowing they had one year with their studs.

Well said.

[jesmu84]

Related... now Stern vs. Emmert  http://espn.go.com/espn/commentary/story/_/id/7751190/mark-emmert-david-stern-exchange-one-done-salvos

Love this: "Then Stern suggested the NCAA, not the NBA, is the one shirking its duty with this shot to the liver: "They could actually require the players to go to classes.""

[Hoopaloop]

There was an article in the Chicago Tribune last Saturday about the Tom Crean/John Calipari relationship. Evidently, now that Kelvin Sampson has been kicked out of the business "Coach Cal" is TC's best (only?) friend in the business. If that doesn't make IU fans squirm....

Coach Norman Dale where are you?  Tired of defending your coach but two fairly ridiculous comments (lies) on this one.  Orange Soda, where are you with the blatant lies commentary? 

Tom Izzo anyone?  Is there anyone more on the up and up than Izzo and that is probably his best friend.  Izzo was in Crean's wedding.  Why you would leave that out?  Or any number of others like Biehline, Dakich, Ralph Willard, Judd Heathcoate, etc.  I'm more concerned about the Dick Strong friendship.

The truth of the matter is that Crean knew Sampson from Michigan State as an assistant.  Sampson got in trouble years later at IU.  Crean and Caliprari are both former University of Pittsburgh guys, they have known each other from their days as assistants (though they were not assistants at Pitt at the same time).  Like any strong friendship, it probably goes deep and what happens professionally is separate.  Are you insinuating that because someone has a friendship with another coach that has been in hot water that means both coaches are?  Is there a wear off factor?  Since Buzz is friends with Billie Gillespie then what Billie does Buzz does?  I'm not sure your logic holds much water to be honest with you.  Free country, so feel as you might, but I find your comment about the friends and the extrapolation to be wanting.

[Coach Norman Dale]

Coach Norman Dale where are you?  Tired of defending your coach but two fairly ridiculous comments (lies) on this one. 

Always nice to be missed. 

Two things -- I enjoy this board, but do not live and breathe for it, so my visits are not steady and by no means daily.  [I know admitting that is heresy to many here!]

Also, I see no need to address or dignify each anti-Crean comment with a response, especially those, such as Lenny's, purporting to know something as silly as who Crean's friends are or how many friends he has.

That said, I know that it has been reported that one of Crean's friends is Calipari.  Fantastic.  I have (or, in some cases, had) certain friends who are not the most upstanding citizens.  So what?  Does that mean I do not find them to be entertaining, knowledgable, interesting, etc.  No, it does not.  In fact I may have learned a thing or two from their mistakes, but it certainly does not mean I act in the same manner.  I assume that is the case with Crean and Calipari.  [And not to go all theological here, but who were many of Jesus' friends?  The beggars, lepers, thieves, etc.  In other words, the John Calipari's of his time!     Sorry could not resist.]

And 4everwarriors -- Happy FFC Day!  I am glad to have Crean in Bloomington and Buzz in Milwaukee -- two winning situations from my point of view.

[Small Orange Soda]

Coach Norman Dale where are you?  Tired of defending your coach but two fairly ridiculous comments (lies) on this one.  Orange Soda, where are you with the blatant lies commentary?  

Tom Izzo anyone?  Is there anyone more on the up and up than Izzo and that is probably his best friend.  Izzo was in Crean's wedding.  Why you would leave that out?  Or any number of others like Biehline, Dakich, Ralph Willard, Judd Heathcoate, etc.  I'm more concerned about the Dick Strong friendship.

The truth of the matter is that Crean knew Sampson from Michigan State as an assistant.  Sampson got in trouble years later at IU.  Crean and Caliprari are both former University of Pittsburgh guys, they have known each other from their days as assistants (though they were not assistants at Pitt at the same time).  Like any strong friendship, it probably goes deep and what happens professionally is separate.  Are you insinuating that because someone has a friendship with another coach that has been in hot water that means both coaches are?  Is there a wear off factor?  Since Buzz is friends with Billie Gillespie then what Billie does Buzz does?  I'm not sure your logic holds much water to be honest with you.  Free country, so feel as you might, but I find your comment about the friends and the extrapolation to be wanting.

Personally, I never called Lenny's a liar because, well, I have no idea if Crean does or doesn't have any friends in the coaching profession.  Unlike you, when I say I don't care about Indiana, I mean it.  I don't feel the need to scour the internet finding connections Crean had or discrediting some CBS blogger who dissed Crean on twitter(which was a new low).  

[Lennys Tap]

Coach Norman Dale where are you?  Tired of defending your coach but two fairly ridiculous comments (lies) on this one.  Orange Soda, where are you with the blatant lies commentary? 

You tired of defending anything and everything Tom Crean? That, Hoop, will stand as the only "blatant lie" in this thread.

[Hoopaloop]

Personally, I never called Lenny's a liar because, well, I have no idea if Crean does or doesn't have any friends in the coaching profession.  Unlike you, when I say I don't care about Indiana, I mean it.  I don't feel the need to scour the internet finding connections Crean had or discrediting some CBS blogger who dissed Crean on twitter(which was a new low).  

You are a college basketball fan and a Marquette fan and you don't know about Crean and Izzo?   

[Hoopaloop]

You tired of defending anything and everything Tom Crean? That, Hoop, will stand as the only "blatant lie" in this thread.

There are plenty of things I don't defend about him and just let go.  Others I don't.  So it is not a lie.  It would be a lie if I defended everything.  I don't, therefore no lie.  I feel bad for some of you guys.  Without Crean, no Dwyane Wade.  No Buzz Williams.  No Big East.  No Diener, Novak, Hayward, Matthews, etc.  No Final Four.  No Nike Jordan Brand.  You guys throw the baby out with the bath water, but it makes you feel better I guess. 

[Small Orange Soda]

You are a college basketball fan and a Marquette fan and you don't know about Crean and Izzo?   

Well, I knew about Crean working for Izzo, but the Sampson stuff and Pitt stuff I didn't.

[Hoopaloop]

Well, I knew about Crean working for Izzo, but the Sampson stuff and Pitt stuff I didn't.

The author of that tweet I had a vague recollection of so when PRN put it up there I thought it was the same Badger jerk that used to take shots at MU.  When I went back and looked, it was.  If that counts as digging up and doing research, I don't particularly care.  He's a jerk writer that rips on MU and the Big East quite often and is a Badger to boot.  That's enough for me not to give him two seconds of love, let alone an entire thread like PRN gave him.

[Small Orange Soda]

The author of that tweet I had a vague recollection of so when PRN put it up there I thought it was the same Badger jerk that used to take shots at MU.  When I went back and looked, it was.  If that counts as digging up and doing research, I don't particularly care.  He's a jerk writer that rips on MU and the Big East quite often and is a Badger to boot.  That's enough for me not to give him two seconds of love, let alone an entire thread like PRN gave him.

Having known someone who's had interactions with him, I don't disagree with you.  I just don't think one can jump to the conclusion that he was making stuff up.

[seakm4]

It's too bad the win won't get stripped tonight cause it cost me a bracket. 

We have the formula for a ship now buzz just needs to convince the school to let him buy players.  Congrats to John Cal for putting together the best team money could buy.

[Silkk the Shaka]

Tom Izzo anyone?  Is there anyone more on the up and up than Izzo and that is probably his best friend.  Izzo was in Crean's wedding.  Why you would leave that out?  Or any number of others like Biehline, Dakich, Ralph Willard, Judd Heathcoate, etc.  I'm more concerned about the Dick Strong friendship.

That's quite an odd butchering of Beilein.  So odd, I wondered where I had seen such an egregious misspelling before.  Punched it into the search bar.  Guess what it turned up?

[MarquetteDano]

That's quite an odd butchering of Beilein.  So odd, I wondered where I had seen such an egregious misspelling before.  Punched it into the search bar.  Guess what it turned up?

Not being facetious here... remind me to hire you as my detective if I ever need one.  Well done.

[Silkk the Shaka]

Not being facetious here... remind me to hire you as my detective if I ever need one.  Well done.

Thanks, I do what I can.  I went to Beilein's basketball camps at Canisus as a kid which is why it stuck out.

To end the suspense, the search result yields 4 posts by ChicosBailBonds, none by anyone else.  I suspect there will not be a defense from Hoopaloop.  Or if there is, it will be full of histrionics.

[Hoopaloop]

Thanks, I do what I can.  I went to Beilein's basketball camps at Canisus as a kid which is why it stuck out.

To end the suspense, the search result yields 4 posts by ChicosBailBonds, none by anyone else.  I suspect there will not be a defense from Hoopaloop.  Or if there is, it will be full of histrionics.

MarquetteDano, make sure to get a money back guarantee from Jamailman when you purchase his services.  You will need it.


"To end the suspense, the search result yields 4 posts by ChicosBailBonds, none by anyone else."

NONE by anyone else?  None as in no one, right?  I'm probably not near as good as you are with the search function, but when I punched in various spellings of that particular coach your claim falls flat. 


The claim that the version I used was only used by CBB?  Wrong.

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=2793.msg21076#msg21076

Some guy named DaTruth uses the exact same spelling, kind of kills your "none by anyone else claim".  I'm sure others butchered it as well if I cared to search longer. 


That made me think, what other versions were used. Bilsu used "Beeline" instead of the proper spelling:
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=3248.msg26592#msg26592

Did anyone else other than Bilsu use the Beeline version? Why, yes.  Therefore, using your logic, Bilsu must also be those other posters because they all used a butchered version of Beilein (Beeline) instead of the proper spelling.  You are quite the detective.


Finally, to close the loop, if the butchered spelling was so unique, as you claim (even though I've already proved to you that at least one other person has used that same spelling) wouldn't you figure that butcherer would always use that spelling version?  The spelling would be consistent.  Let's see:  http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=14699.msg134239#msg134239

In the above example, and there are others, he uses the correct spelling.  How do you explain that Chico spelled it correctly in that post and others, while I have only spelled (butchered) it in one format? Since the two of us have spelled it differently, one can only conclude based on your detective work we aren't the same people or I would be spelling it the same way as him all the time.   

Keep trying.  I dig the search function by the way, nice tool.  Remind me not to hire you as a detective.