Terror plot at Kennedy Airport thwarted

[ChicosBailBonds]

http://www.wnbc.com/news/13431721/detail.html?dl=mainclick


I cannot wait to read the NY Times version when they again say that religion/fundamentalism was not a factor....of course not...not with the suspects being

Russell Defreitas, Kareem Ibrihim, Abdul Kadir, Abdul Nur.   



Terrorism is real.....I'm sure by Monday this story will be dead and we can talk about Leonardo DiCaprio's hybrid car.

[mviale]

Our Iraqi policy must be paying off

[tower912]

Yeah, these guys were from Guyana (sp?) and Trinidad.   Also, if you know anything about jet fuel, you know that it would have been well nigh impossible for their plan to succeed, unless they somehow found a pipeline with nothing but fumes and vapor in it.    Still scary.   Eventually, one of these American citizens is going to  combine the plan, the material, and the know-how and we will have the next McVeigh.

[Murffieus]

Miviale----no it's GWB's Department of Homeland Security and the Patriot Act which are succeeding in foiling plot after plot-----the same Patriot Act that the Dems faught tooth and nail to prevent!

Tower ---they were Islamic Radicals----hate for Israel and hate for the USA ----Islamic Facism knows no boundaries nor is it confined to specific areas!

[mviale]

as you may know I was being sarcastic. I think these guys were just losers - so much for homeland security when a TB patient can leak in and out of our country even though he is on the list.

[mu_hilltopper]

Indeed, I do find it .. amusing .. the enormous trumpeting the last two "terrorist" busts have garnered.  The guys down in Florida who wanted to blow up the Sears Tower plus these guys with the JFK airport tank bombing .. Neither of these groups seemed to have any means whatsoever of actually pulling off what they wanted to do, which required a ton of logistics and supplies, neither of which they had.

I mean, I'm happy these guys aren't walking around free, but it sure seems they were a loooong way from making their big dreams happen, and clearly weren't disciplined nor secretive enough to ever go very long without drawing law enforcement's eye, let alone actually pull off their grand plans.

That's why this story ended up on page 3.  -- Although I have no doubt there are really bad guys out there that we really catch and put in a dark hole somewhere.  At least, I hope so.

[Pakuni]

Miviale----no it's GWB's Department of Homeland Security and the Patriot Act which are succeeding in foiling plot after plot-----the same Patriot Act that the Dems faught tooth and nail to prevent!

Tower ---they were Islamic Radicals----hate for Israel and hate for the USA ----Islamic Facism knows no boundaries nor is it confined to specific areas!

Actually, Murff, the Department of Homeland Security and Patriot Act had nothing to do with the unraveling of this plot. Tapping phone lines, examining library items and sneak-and-peek searches isn't how they caught these guys. They caught these guys with an age-old police weapon: the snitch. They found a drug-dealer who was willing to help out the authorities in exchange for a lighter sentence. This is hardly a new concept in law enforcement, and certainly not the doing of DHS or the Patriot Act.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Miviale----no it's GWB's Department of Homeland Security and the Patriot Act which are succeeding in foiling plot after plot-----the same Patriot Act that the Dems faught tooth and nail to prevent!

Tower ---they were Islamic Radicals----hate for Israel and hate for the USA ----Islamic Facism knows no boundaries nor is it confined to specific areas!

Actually, Murff, the Department of Homeland Security and Patriot Act had nothing to do with the unraveling of this plot. Tapping phone lines, examining library items and sneak-and-peek searches isn't how they caught these guys. They caught these guys with an age-old police weapon: the snitch. They found a drug-dealer who was willing to help out the authorities in exchange for a lighter sentence. This is hardly a new concept in law enforcement, and certainly not the doing of DHS or the Patriot Act.

The US Attorney in New Jersey (Fort Dix Plot) and in New York disagrees with you Pakuni...they both said so in interviews.  You can listen to it coming right out of their mouths at Mark Levin Show website when he interviewed them.  Both said the Patriot Act was crucial in taking the initial lead and then finding out who all the players are.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Our Iraqi policy must be paying off

You sound like John Murtha from this weekend....wow, what a complete idiot he is.




You heard earlier where he said this incident in the United States is being driven by al Qaeda, is being inspired by al Qaeda. This is the kind of thing that is happening because of our troops in Iraq.
-John Murtha (referring to JFK plot)

Amazing. So, the planned attack on New York’s JFK airport is all because America is in Iraq. And, that’s how ABCNews.com chose to advertise this ten-minute video at its website, even though the bulk of the segment was a discussion specifically about what’s going on in Iraq, and what the Democrat plans are to get troops out.



Hey Murtha....2001 9/11 attacks.  Happened before we were in Iraq

2000 USS Cole...President Clinton in office....happened before we were in Iraq

1998 Khobar Towers...President Clinton in office....happened before we were in Iraq

1997 US Embassy bombings....President Clinton in office....happened before we were in Iraq

1993 WTC attack....President Clinton in office....happened before we were in Iraq


and on and on and on and on

[Pakuni]

The US Attorney in New Jersey (Fort Dix Plot) and in New York disagrees with you Pakuni...they both said so in interviews.  You can listen to it coming right out of their mouths at Mark Levin Show website when he interviewed them.  Both said the Patriot Act was crucial in taking the initial lead and then finding out who all the players are.

Really? Government lawyers employed by an administration that supports the Patriot Act (and will fire you if you step even a little out of line) are saying nice things about the Patriot Act?
Stunning.

Every analysis of the investigation published thus far have stated that it was a convicted drug dealer turned stoolie --  not wiretapping, etc. -- that turned the case.

Maybe the media is just hiding the truth to promote their own political agenda. Again.

[ChicosBailBonds]

The US Attorney in New Jersey (Fort Dix Plot) and in New York disagrees with you Pakuni...they both said so in interviews.  You can listen to it coming right out of their mouths at Mark Levin Show website when he interviewed them.  Both said the Patriot Act was crucial in taking the initial lead and then finding out who all the players are.

Really? Government lawyers employed by an administration that supports the Patriot Act (and will fire you if you step even a little out of line) are saying nice things about the Patriot Act?
Stunning.

Every analysis of the investigation published thus far have stated that it was a convicted drug dealer turned stoolie --  not wiretapping, etc. -- that turned the case.

Maybe the media is just hiding the truth to promote their own political agenda. Again.

Every story...you mean all that major "digging" the media has done in all of 24 hours...wow...they sure are good.  And if the Patriot Act was a major reason to blow the case open, would the media who is resoundingly against the Patriot Act write about it's virtures? 

Yeah right.

[Pakuni]

The US Attorney in New Jersey (Fort Dix Plot) and in New York disagrees with you Pakuni...they both said so in interviews.  You can listen to it coming right out of their mouths at Mark Levin Show website when he interviewed them.  Both said the Patriot Act was crucial in taking the initial lead and then finding out who all the players are.

Really? Government lawyers employed by an administration that supports the Patriot Act (and will fire you if you step even a little out of line) are saying nice things about the Patriot Act?
Stunning.

Every analysis of the investigation published thus far have stated that it was a convicted drug dealer turned stoolie --  not wiretapping, etc. -- that turned the case.

Maybe the media is just hiding the truth to promote their own political agenda. Again.

Every story...you mean all that major "digging" the media has done in all of 24 hours...wow...they sure are good.  And if the Patriot Act was a major reason to blow the case open, would the media who is resoundingly against the Patriot Act write about it's virtures? 

Yeah right.

There you go again with your conspiracy theories.
Look out behind you, Chico's ... I think a media member is trying to get you.

Seriously, show me anything that disputes what I'm saying: that this case was broken not counter-intelligence measures authorized by the Patriot Act, but by good old-fashioned police work, the kind that's been employed well before 9/11 and well since.

By the way, the Fort Dix case was broken because of a tip from a store clerk, not examining someone's reading materials or tapping their phone lines without a warrant.

What's funny is that people believe that every time a would-be terrorist is caught, it's because of the Patriot Act when, in reality, it's because of the kinds of law enforcement tactics that have always been allowed.

[ChicosBailBonds]

The US Attorney in New Jersey (Fort Dix Plot) and in New York disagrees with you Pakuni...they both said so in interviews.  You can listen to it coming right out of their mouths at Mark Levin Show website when he interviewed them.  Both said the Patriot Act was crucial in taking the initial lead and then finding out who all the players are.

Really? Government lawyers employed by an administration that supports the Patriot Act (and will fire you if you step even a little out of line) are saying nice things about the Patriot Act?
Stunning.

Every analysis of the investigation published thus far have stated that it was a convicted drug dealer turned stoolie --  not wiretapping, etc. -- that turned the case.

Maybe the media is just hiding the truth to promote their own political agenda. Again.

Every story...you mean all that major "digging" the media has done in all of 24 hours...wow...they sure are good.  And if the Patriot Act was a major reason to blow the case open, would the media who is resoundingly against the Patriot Act write about it's virtures? 

Yeah right.

There you go again with your conspiracy theories.
Look out behind you, Chico's ... I think a media member is trying to get you.

Seriously, show me anything that disputes what I'm saying: that this case was broken not counter-intelligence measures authorized by the Patriot Act, but by good old-fashioned police work, the kind that's been employed well before 9/11 and well since.

By the way, the Fort Dix case was broken because of a tip from a store clerk, not examining someone's reading materials or tapping their phone lines without a warrant.

What's funny is that people believe that every time a would-be terrorist is caught, it's because of the Patriot Act when, in reality, it's because of the kinds of law enforcement tactics that have always been allowed.

No Pakuni....you're missing the point.  Let's use the Fort Dix example.  The case started when a Circuit City employee dubbed a tape and reported it to authorities.  But as the US Attorney then stated, from there they were able to blow the case open by using the techniques now allowed under the Patriot Act.  In the interview, which I again invite you to listen to, he clearly states that before the Patriot Act this would NOT HAVE HAPPENED.  The techniques and allowances to dig were not available.  Again, I invite you to listen to it so you can hear it directly from him and not through any filter (especially one like myself that has to look over his shoulder at the media  )

He also stated, correctly, that in the old days (i.e Jamie Gorelick) this case would have been a local deal and likely not even brought to the feds do to all the walls put up.  The Circuit City employee contacted his local police department and it likely would have stayed there.  Now, agencies coordinate together as a result of 9/11 and the tearing down of many of the walls erected by Gorelick and company.