The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread

[Hoopaloop]

Saw this on the Illini board... is this even possible?

Let me rephrase SMU has offered Buzz Williams a multi year contract for over 20 million and are in current negotiations.

They have more money than MU does by many times over.  Another84 is in denial if he continues to not believe it.

[Smu18]

The contact will be just the beginning of what buzz ends up making...

You guys will be fine...we needed the edge...you are welcome at moody anytime...

[🏀]

Lucky for you we had plenty of money for buzz and didn't want any mu fans to pay out of pockets for his move...

[PonyFanz]

Buzz.williams@smu.edu

that is the spirit.  

[mr.MUskie]

Now their is a credible source, another grown man in his basement on the Illini board.

What do the Middle Tennessee State boards say?

Went to UofI, following their board re their coaching search, saw this come up.  They're wondering why they didn't pursue Buzz.

Also following the MSU board.

And I'm in my living room.  Watching TV.  Multitasking.

[Hoopaloop]

And Stevens turned them down do they are on the third choice.  

This is the downside of the internet for ADs, you can look really bad when someone says no.  

Not if you end up with someone that is good.  No one will give a crap.  Panic hires don't do any good either.  Take your time, do it right.  Illinois will be fine.

[nyg]

Over 20 million?  Right.......

OK, 7 years at 3M for 21M
     8 years at 3M for 24M

To get clobbered in the Big East for the next 7 to 8 years?  He would probably be fired by then.  SMU will be the new Depaul.

But, for that money, who cares.  

[Dish]

My god, 18 pages of this crap? Seriously?

If Buzz is stupid enough to go to a lousy crap program like SMU from a top 20 job in the country (pay, resources, facilities, tradition, location), let him go.

If Buzz leaves, this just in, the sun also rose the next day.

Seriously, people are 18 pages worth worried about SMU...it's a punchline.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Alright, I'm going to pick on Buzz for a second, so feel free to blast me if needed.

He teaches his players to battle through adversity and pushes them in difficult situations. We know

I would hate for some bumps with the administration to cause Buzz to turn tail and head to SMU.

I WANT Buzz at MU, but I also WANT him to compromise and work well with the administration. IF there are issues, I hope Buzz has developed a decent sense of loyalty to MU and can figure out how to work it out.

[Gato78]

Only Murf has been saying that. No question Crean wanted Broeker to be AD and Wild and Kliehban wanted Cottingham. The people I have spoken to who were involved and willing to talk said that was not the case. He simply wanted to go to a gig where he could get to a Final FOur and recruit easier. The Iman Shumpert recruitment was the turning point. I spoke with Crean about Shumpert shortly afterwards and it was evident to me that losing Shumpert had an affect on him. FWIW he was seeking out the blue blood jobs when Cords was still AD.

However, from the things I heard there was some issues with the university as well going back to Cottingham named as the AD.

[Smu18]

Just the beginning of what he will make...

He won't be fired....get us to the tourney fill the stadium and get us ready for the next conference realignment....that's the goal....

Dallas is a hotbed of talent, it won't be very long till SMU is competitive....

[Warrior_2002]

What's going on?  This is all BS right?  SMU...really?  Maybe they have money, but Marquette can actually be successful.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/rapid-reports/post/18044737

[Hoopaloop]

Goose, I think it has a lot to do with the university wanting to give the perception that it is something more than it actually is. For example, Jesuit ideals of scholarship are more virtuous than athletic success. Facts are that, for whatever reasons, the school doesn't embrace the benefits an elite basketball program can bring their way, even if the major benefit translates into increased dollars.

How can you say that when MU is spending so much money on hoops.  MU has the second largest basketball budget in the NCAA DIVISION I program field.  How can you possibly say they don't embrace the benefits of an elite basketball program?

[Tugg Speedman]

They have more money than MU does by many times over.  Another84 is in denial if he continues to not believe it.

Buzz now has a rollover 6 year contract that pays him $2.6 million/year (if the reports are to be believed).  Do the math and that is a $15.6 million contract now.  Probably more like $17 or $18 now when escalators are figured in.  

So if the men in basements making stuff up on the Illini board are correct and he is being offered north of $20 million, that is about a 10% to 15% raise.  

It is not as impressive when put in that context.

[Hoopaloop]

Over 20 million?  Right.......

OK, 7 years at 3M for 21M
     8 years at 3M for 24M

To get clobbered in the Big East for the next 7 to 8 years?  He would probably be fired by then.  SMU will be the new Depaul.

But, for that money, who cares.  

No they won't.  Same reason Crean demanded 10 years on his contract.  You deal with the losses early on and absorb them knowing you will get beat early on but that there will be a turnaround eventually.  If Buzz went to SMU, they would do well, especially if they were willing to "let him run his program" the way he wanted to, or whatever language Guru used.  Let any kids in, don't worry about some of the other stuff.  He would do well and most certainly wouldn't be fired.

[4everwarriors]

Where you been at? Just crawl out from under a rock?

[Smu18]

84 salary is just the beginning thats what you don't get...if its only 10 or 15% you should step up and pay the difference...

[4everwarriors]

How can you say that when MU is spending so much money on hoops.  MU has the second largest basketball budget in the NCAA DIVISION I program field.  How can you possibly say they don't embrace the benefits of an elite basketball program?

If they sheetcan Buzz, what other explanation is there?

[Smu18]

I can tell you that June jones 2.5 mil a year salary is 25% of what he actually makes per year...SMU boosters have other ways to pay

[Tugg Speedman]

84 salary is just the beginning thats what you don't get...if its only 10 or 15% you should step up and pay the difference...

If you believe numbers from men in basements, why not believe other men in basements when they say MU can match these numbers.

[Hoopaloop]

Buzz now has a rollover 6 year contract that pays him $2.6 million/year (if the reports are to be believed.  Do the math and that is a $15.6 million contract now.  Probably more like $17 or $18 now when escalators are figured in.  

So if the men in basements making stuff up on the Illini board are correct and he is being offered north of $20 million, that is about a 10% to 15% raise.  

It is not as impressive when put in that context.

I can do the math.  Rollover 6 year contract at $2.6 Million is $15.6 million,  a lot less than a $20 million contract with zero state income taxes in the state of Texas.  

[Aughnanure]

No they won't.  Same reason Crean demanded 10 years on his contract.  You deal with the losses early on and absorb them knowing you will get beat early on but that there will be a turnaround eventually.  If Buzz went to SMU, they would do well, especially if they were willing to "let him run his program" the way he wanted to, or whatever language Guru used.  Let any kids in, don't worry about some of the other stuff.  He would do well and most certainly wouldn't be fired.

Buzz has never done a rebuild. There is certainly no guarantee he will have success at a school that hasn't had any. It is not an exaggeration that Buzz did get the MU job handed to him on a silver platter.

[Hoopaloop]

If they sheetcan Buzz, what other explanation is there?

Who is sheetcanning Buzz?  They are paying him $2.6 million per year.  Please Lord, I hope my employer treats me so poorly and sheetcans me.  No one is sheetcanning Buzz.

[spiral97]

Not buying it.  Where are the nearest feather free wings around here geesh.

[Goose]

Buzz is being pushed aside.