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Norm

What happens if Louisville wins the Big East tournament? Most projections only have them one seed below MU right now. Would they pass Marquette and Georgetown by winning the Big East tourney? Wouldn't be surprised at all if that happened.

dwaderoy2004

and yet, MU would still be a three, most likely.

cheebs09

I don't know what Michigan has done that is much better than us. I'm looking at the Warren Nolan Nitty Gritty report, and they are a little better with the top 50 record, but have two 100+ losses in the RPI. I can see the case for Baylor ahead of us as we look pretty similar.

http://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2012/nitty

brewcity77

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Quote from: cheebs09 on March 09, 2012, 11:07:49 AMI don't know what Michigan has done that is much better than us. I'm looking at the Warren Nolan Nitty Gritty report, and they are a little better with the top 50 record, but have two 100+ losses in the RPI. I can see the case for Baylor ahead of us as we look pretty similar.

http://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2012/nitty

Michigan top-25 wins: 5 Michigan State, 7 Ohio State, 11 Indiana, 18 Memphis, 24 Wisconsin
Baylor top-25 wins: (None)
Marquette top-25 wins: 17 Georgetown, 20 Louisville, 24 Wisconsin

Michigan top-100 win total: 12
Baylor top-100 win total: 11
Marquette top-100 win total: 11

Michigan sub-100 losses: 110 Arkansas, 128 Iowa
Baylor sub-100 losses: (None)
Marquette sub-100 losses: (None)

Michigan Road/Neutral record: 8-7
Baylor Road/Neutral record: 12-3
Marquette Road/Neutral record: 10-6

It depends on which metrics you use, but here's my take. Marquette should be at the head of this list because they have some top-25 wins and no bad losses, but Michigan's top-25 quantity coupled with two bad losses puts them right behind us. Baylor's problem is they really haven't beaten anyone really good. St. Mary's and San Diego State are nice wins, but not the kind you want to hang your resume on. The away record is great, but again, who have you beat? Of the three teams, Marquette has the best true road win (Wisconsin) while Michigan has the best overall away win (Memphis).

wardle2wade

This thread is the reason I haven't checked scoop in two days.

We're still a solid 3 unless Baylor beats KU and either IU or UM run the table in B10.  Compare vs other resumes around us, and we are legit. 

cheebs09

Quote from: brewcity77 on March 09, 2012, 11:38:32 AM
Michigan top-25 wins: 5 Michigan State, 7 Ohio State, 11 Indiana, 18 Memphis, 24 Wisconsin
Baylor top-25 wins: (None)
Marquette top-25 wins: 17 Georgetown, 20 Louisville, 24 Wisconsin

Michigan top-100 win total: 12
Baylor top-100 win total: 11
Marquette top-100 win total: 11

Michigan sub-100 losses: 110 Arkansas, 128 Iowa
Baylor sub-100 losses: (None)
Marquette sub-100 losses: (None)

Michigan Road/Neutral record: 8-7
Baylor Road/Neutral record: 12-3
Marquette Road/Neutral record: 10-6

It depends on which metrics you use, but here's my take. Marquette should be at the head of this list because they have some top-25 wins and no bad losses, but Michigan's top-25 quantity coupled with no bad losses puts them right behind us. Baylor's problem is they really haven't beaten anyone really good. St. Mary's and San Diego State are nice wins, but not the kind you want to hang your resume on. The away record is great, but again, who have you beat? Of the three teams, Marquette has the best true road win (Wisconsin) while Michigan has the best overall away win (Memphis).

I'm sure this is a typo, but Michigan is the one with two bad losses.

I worry that the committee puts too much weight on the tournaments. It seems like teams are jumping seed lines with each game (at least the message boards and media make it seem that way at times). If you view it as just another game in the regular season, this loss doesn't look as bad and I doubt 4 teams are jumping us.

brewcity77

Quote from: cheebs09 on March 09, 2012, 11:48:46 AM
I'm sure this is a typo, but Michigan is the one with two bad losses.

I worry that the committee puts too much weight on the tournaments. It seems like teams are jumping seed lines with each game (at least the message boards and media make it seem that way at times). If you view it as just another game in the regular season, this loss doesn't look as bad and I doubt 4 teams are jumping us.

Yup, a typo. Will fix that one, if they had no bad losses, they'd be on the 2-line, and in the mix for a 1-seed.

Hards Alumni

Quote from: wardle2wade on March 09, 2012, 11:46:39 AM
This thread is the reason I haven't checked scoop in two days.

We're still a solid 3 unless Baylor beats KU and either IU or UM run the table in B10.  Compare vs other resumes around us, and we are legit. 

you got it buddy.

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