Gardner...

[Clam Crowder]

Jae has been doing it all and covering all of our weaknesses during this stretch of play from him. Tonight he wasn't quite as amazing as he has been and the weakness down low was evident from the first 2 minutes on. It was a tough place to play, a much needed win for Cincy, and Senior night. It was a perfect storm, but we NEED Gardner back to make any noise in the Big East Tourney, and the NCAA's without him the recipe to beat MU is very obvious.

[79Warrior]

Jae has been doing it all and covering all of our weaknesses during this stretch of play from him. Tonight he wasn't quite as amazing as he has been and the weakness down low was evident from the first 2 minutes on. It was a tough place to play, a much needed win for Cincy, and Senior night. It was a perfect storm, but we NEED Gardner back to make any noise in the Big East Tourney, and the NCAA's without him the recipe to beat MU is very obvious.

Great game plan by the Bearcats. Zone killed us.

[TallTitan34]

The double bye will give a few extra days for him if he can't go for Georgetown.

[MUMac]

Great game plan by the Bearcats. Zone killed us.

They played like I thought WVU or UConn would against MU.  With a fire in their belly.  They wanted it more and got it.  MU didn't play as poorly as they played well.

[Aughnanure]

I know this may annoy some, so sue me. But, the idea of this team w/ Davante and Otule still gets me frustrated. Can't complain in anyway about this season - maybe the best regular season I've ever seen, but still its tough to think about.

[nathanziarek]

MU didn't play as poorly as they played well.

I agree with this. Cincy played a GREAT game, but we were poorer offensively than I've seen us in a while. Some of that was their length (I guess), but a lot just seemed like there was a lid on the rim. Feels like every once in a while MU catches the "can't score" bug...and it's contagious, unfortunately.

[nathanziarek]

I know this may annoy assume, so sue me. But, the idea of this team w/ Davante and Otule still gets me frustrated. Can't complain in anyway about this season - maybe the best regular season I've ever seen, but still its tough to think about.

At the beginning of very season I think how great it would be to [insert graduated senior here] on THIS team. This might be the first time I've ever done that for people on the team. Its been such a great season I'm not complaining...but it does go to show just how perfect everything needs to go to be a magical season.

[brewcity77]

I know this may annoy assume, so sue me. But, the idea of this team w/ Davante and Otule still gets me frustrated. Can't complain in anyway about this season - maybe the best regular season I've ever seen, but still its tough to think about.

Right there with you. I honestly think had we stayed healthy, we'd currently be the third 1-seed. Maybe even the second. On the plus side, their injuries provided valuable experience that will pay off in the next 2 years.

[WellsstreetWanderer]

We definitely missed Garner tonight to plug up the middle and get some rebounds. Jae played well on defense we just had no rotation to help out. Juan Anderson killed us when he was in there. Tough night to score

[Aughnanure]

We definitely missed Garner tonight to plug up the middle and get some rebounds. Jae played well on defense we just had no rotation to help out. Juan Anderson killed us when he was in there. Tough night to score

Yeah, Juan is kinda out of position though. He is not built for the 4 really, and his body is gonna take a while to come around  so he can. I know he's taller than Jae, Lazar, Wes and at least as tall as Jimmy -  but his play and mannerisms scream a kid that is still getting used to how long and athletic his body really is. Its hard to gain that coordination quickly when you grow so fast. But by Junior yr, Juan could be this team's #1, playing the 3 next to Jamil, Taylor, Gardner, Durley AND Otule -  think about that.

[THEultimateWARRIOR]

Juan is lost... This recruiting class is starting to fall off.

[JakeBarnes]

Juan is lost... This recruiting class is starting to fall off.

Maybe someone should find him then?

[🏀]

Juan is lost... This recruiting class is starting to fall off.

I can tell you haven't been around awhile.

[GGGG]

Yeah, Juan is kinda out of position though. He is not built for the 4 really, and his body is gonna take a while to come around  so he can. I know he's taller than Jae, Lazar, Wes and at least as tall as Jimmy -  but his play and mannerisms scream a kid that is still getting used to how long and athletic his body really is. Its hard to gain that coordination quickly when you grow so fast. But by Junior yr, Juan could be this team's #1, playing the 3 next to Jamil, Taylor, Gardner, Durley AND Otule -  think about that.

Next year I expect that Juan will be Vander's back up as a wing....unless the bench is shortened.  He isn't a four, and would only play in that position IMO when Buzz wants to go small.  I expect that Taylor will be Jamil's back up next year.

[🏀]

Next year I expect that Juan will be Vander's back up as a wing....unless the bench is shortened.  He isn't a four, and would only play in that position IMO when Buzz wants to go small.  I expect that Taylor will be Jamil's back up next year.

Caddy/Mayo/Blue/Wilson/Gardner?

You're Taylor reference threw me off for a second, then remembered Steve Taylor, not TJ Taylor.

[THEultimateWARRIOR]

I can tell you haven't been around awhile.

Oh yea? What is wrong with what I said? Its like you cant say anything on this board without being criticized...sorry that with having two players out its frustrating to see Juan running around like a chicken with his head cut off. Derek Wilson scores 0 points, absolutely no threat offensively. Mayo was 1-18 on three point attempts before yesterday and hes been suspended for violating team rules. So yea maybe someone does need to find them because this class has been a joke especially for a top 10 basketball team. Granted they dont get that much playing time but its like that for a reason we get destroyed when Juan is in the game. It was very clear yesterday.

[dwaderoy2004]

Caddy/Mayo/Blue/Wilson/Gardner?

You're Taylor reference threw me off for a second, then remembered Steve Taylor, not TJ Taylor.

Are those your starters next year?  I would think Otule would start whenever he's healthy.  I would more or less agree with the rest, at least to begin the season.

[GGGG]

Caddy/Mayo/Blue/Wilson/Gardner?

You're Taylor reference threw me off for a second, then remembered Steve Taylor, not TJ Taylor.

I expect that you nailed the starting line-up.  Except TJ Taylor might be the other starting guard.  And Otule maybe ahead of Gardner, but it really won't matter because my guess is their minutes might be more equal next year...if not more for Davante.

I just don't think you can have Blue and then either Jones or Anderson start.  Not enough offense on the floor.  No deep threats.

[🏀]

Are those your starters next year?  I would think Otule would start whenever he's healthy.  I would more or less agree with the rest, at least to begin the season.

I was asking Sultan if those were his starters.

[🏀]

Oh yea? What is wrong with what I said? Its like you cant say anything on this board without being criticized...sorry that with having two players out its frustrating to see Juan running around like a chicken with his head cut off. Derek Wilson scores 0 points, absolutely no threat offensively. Mayo was 1-18 on three point attempts before yesterday and hes been suspended for violating team rules. So yea maybe someone does need to find them because this class has been a joke especially for a top 10 basketball team. Granted they dont get that much playing time but its like that for a reason we get destroyed when Juan is in the game. It was very clear yesterday.

Can you tell me what your expectations are for the freshman?

[dwaderoy2004]

Oh yea? What is wrong with what I said? Its like you cant say anything on this board without being criticized...sorry that with having two players out its frustrating to see Juan running around like a chicken with his head cut off. Derek Wilson scores 0 points, absolutely no threat offensively. Mayo was 1-18 on three point attempts before yesterday and hes been suspended for violating team rules. So yea maybe someone does need to find them because this class has been a joke especially for a top 10 basketball team. Granted they dont get that much playing time but its like that for a reason we get destroyed when Juan is in the game. It was very clear yesterday.

I understand your frustration because these guys have been forced to play important minutes at times.  But we don't need wilson to score.  I have no problem whatsoever with what he brings to the table.  Anderson is a little lost, absolutely.  But if Gardner and Otule are healthy, he doesn't see the floor anyway.  Mayo's shot has gone awry, but he still competes on the defensive end, grabs rebounds, and gets to the hole and draws fouls on offense.  These guys were not recruited to be immediate impact players, and to expect that is silly.  To say the recruiting class is falling off is just plain wrong...it's what should be expected from freshman.

[PVMagic]

No inside information... but Gardner was noticeably limping, even if he was in uniform.  I would be (pleasantly) surprised if we see him Saturday.

[Hards Alumni]

I understand your frustration because these guys have been forced to play important minutes at times.  But we don't need wilson to score.  I have no problem whatsoever with what he brings to the table.  Anderson is a little lost, absolutely.  But if Gardner and Otule are healthy, he doesn't see the floor anyway.  Mayo's shot has gone awry, but he still competes on the defensive end, grabs rebounds, and gets to the hole and draws fouls on offense.  These guys were not recruited to be immediate impact players, and to expect that is silly.  To say the recruiting class is falling off is just plain wrong...it's what should be expected from freshman.

Exactly.

[THEultimateWARRIOR]

Can you tell me what your expectations are for our freshman?

Since you continue to bash me I will tell you. My expectations  for a freshman recruiting class would be to have the same level or better freshman then the other big east schools. I think that's a fair expectation....Freshman at the following Big East schools are having a bigger impact then any of our freshman: St. Johns, Providence, Rutgers, Notre Dame, UConn, South Florida, Louisville, Depaul, Villanova, Georgetown, Seton Hall. West Virginia is a push with Jabarie Hinds averaging about the same as Mayo. Syracuse does not because their team is stacked with upperclassmen. Cincy and Pitt did not have impact freshman either.

Virtually out of 16 teams in the big east we have one of the bottom 3 classes. Sorry that I believe we should be in at least the top half of the conference. I think that it is expected, but not happening.

That being said. It's funny to prove someone like you wrong who does no research before saying pointless things. If you would like me to go further and list stats for all Big East freshman I will, but your really not worth my time.

[StillWarriors]

No inside information... but Gardner was noticeably limping, even if he was in uniform.  I would be (pleasantly) surprised if we see him Saturday.

I had noticed the same thing when he was walking off after the WV game. Not real encouraging.