All speculation aside, what did the four MU players do that brought punishment?

[GGGG]

Sultan--You definitely have right to your opinion, but politely disagree with you.

It's not an opinion.  It is a fact.  Same source that told me about the alleged sexual assaults long before they were reported publicly. 

[4everwarriors]

The university can't afford negative publicity such as the stories in the Chicago Tribune. That alone, has created gastric distress for all those in top administrative positions. Cottingham didn't just bolt 'cause he had a better option.

[Goose]

Sultan--Again I respect your opinion. Not going to get in pissing match but very confident with my source as well. Had we ever had a suspension prior to this year under Buzz? Find it hard believe that suddenly this season we have a rash of guys being late for practice. More importantly, they must be complete idiots to continue being late with suspensions being handed out.

[GGGG]

Sultan--Again I respect your opinion. Not going to get in pissing match but very confident with my source as well. Had we ever had a suspension prior to this year under Buzz? Find it hard believe that suddenly this season we have a rash of guys being late for practice. More importantly, they must be complete idiots to continue being late with suspensions being handed out.

Source?  You never claimed a source until this very post.  The fact is that you have been making guesses from the beginning.  And I never specifically said "late for practice." 

But I will also say this.  Remember who was with Blue during the whole "Vander Orange" incident?  Well let's just say that this individual hasn't stepped up off the court as many thought he might this year.  It's a pretty good thing that Buzz has a good handle on this team though because he is well aware of what is going on.

And I really, really hope that next year's lone senior is taking notes.

[MUMac]

Sultan--Again I respect your opinion. Not going to get in pissing match but very confident with my source as well. Had we ever had a suspension prior to this year under Buzz? Find it hard believe that suddenly this season we have a rash of guys being late for practice. More importantly, they must be complete idiots to continue being late with suspensions being handed out.

Last year I recalled a player sitting the entire 1st half.  It was very unusual.  Said player acted like he did not expect to play that half.  Midway through the 2nd half, Buzz says to said player, who is frustrated he did not play yet that half, "I will get you in".  I wondered at the time whether or not he was sitting for a violation of team rules.  He was a sometimes starter last year.

The reason we know of this incident is that there were 4 and 3 were starters.  Perhaps past times, if the player sat a half, it was handled internally and not publicly announced.

[4everwarriors]

Frozen A got his tit in the wringer?

[Goose]

Sultan--I never guessed on reason and could not care less why suspended. Obviously it is minor infraction and not worth discussing. Trust me I hesitate to post anything I hear from sources and definitely do not feel need to state I have a source.

Well stated on the lone senior for next years squad.

[LON]

Sultan--I never guessed on reason and could not care less why suspended. Obviously it is minor infraction and not worth discussing. Trust me I hesitate to post anything I hear from sources and definitely do not feel need to state I have a source.

Well stated on the lone senior for next years squad.

It's not Godzilla's niece, is it?

[hairy worthen]

Frozen A got his tit in the wringer?

Awesome

[real chili 83]

Avid---Your points are correct but one thing missing. The off court issue was still in the news after Sweet16 run and still a cloud over program is some people's minds.

Sultan--You definitely have right to your opinion, but politely disagree with you.

Goose, I am with Sultan on this.  It seems like a coach taking care of business.

In another thread today, you described Buzz as "slippery".  Curious if you can elaborate....it's an interesting choice of words.  Thanks.

[Goose]

Real---trust me I use the term slippery in a positive way. Just think this guy is beyond clever. I said that when he was hired. I would say Al was slick and Buzz is slippery. Possibly it might just be different times and the two styles might be more alike than I even think.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

Here's what I think. We are a very good team. Last night was an odd night. It might have even been odd enough to make people reminiscence a little about Al, what with the dancing and the discipline and what not. And now you've got people trying to talk themselves out of optimism because we've got a charismatic coach and some NBA type players and people don't want to believe we're as good as we are. Here's an idea: stop speculating. Who cares why these guys were held out of the first half. We might be very, very good. Enjoy it.

[MerrittsMustache]

Real---trust me I use the term slippery in a positive way. Just think this guy is beyond clever. I said that when he was hired. I would say Al was slick and Buzz is slippery. Possibly it might just be different times and the two styles might be more alike than I even think.

Maybe I'm alone on this, but I've never heard someone called "slippery" in a positive way.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

Maybe I'm alone on this, but I've never heard someone called "slippery" in a positive way.

I agree and I don't like it. Buzz is about as perfect a fit for Marquette as we have ever had. Slippery? Give me a break! Goose's posts are slippery.

[Goose]

PRN---I could not agree more with you about Buzz being a perfect fit for MU. Been watching the program for 40 years and 100% think we have the right guy for the right time in NCAA basketball. If you are offended by use of slippery my apologies. In my opinion Al knew how to work a system (NCAA and MU) better than anyone at the time. He was ahead of the curve almost everytime and both he, MU and his players benefitted from his abilities. That said, Al was a genius of making everyone successful...starting with him.

Buzz is playing in a different era and a different society. Like Al, I do think Buzz knows everything he is doing. The dance was an A+ in my mind, but the smirk to the camera and walk afterwards was even better. I think he knew exactly what he was doing, much like Al egging on the ND fans with his famous hands over head pose. Al and Buzz both learned quickly that personal success trickles down.

Over the years I have debated the value of MU ball to the school with younger fans and normally cam away like I was talking to a wall. MU needs basketball big time and Buzz is great fit for the time. Back in the day most of college basketball, aside from MU, thought Al was a con man and maybe he was. But that con man made himself, a school and dozens of players in winners, on and off the court.

[Benny B]

Maybe I'm alone on this, but I've never heard someone called "slippery" in a positive way.

Just like Clinton said, "it depends on what you mean by slippery."

[CTWarrior]

I would really like to know what the reason for the suspension was, but that doesn't mean I should know or that I have the right to know.  I think it is a perfectly reasonable policy not to divulge reasons for suspensions for all cases.  If you give out explanation for "minor" infractions, then if you ever decide not to explain a suspension, people will assume the absolute worst.

[MU82]

Obviously minor.

And obviously would do no harm to divulge reasons for the slaps on the wrist.

[GB Warrior]

Giant ploy to prove that Crowder is, in fact, the BE POY.

[MU Avenue]

Obviously minor.

And obviously would do no harm to divulge reasons for the slaps on the wrist.

The recent infractions by Darius Johnson-Odom, Junior Cadougan, Vander Blue and Todd Mayo must have been relatively minor, given the minimal punishment.

We can all agree on that, right?

We can all agree, too, that the four players' reputations would only benefit from having the public know details of the infractions, right?

These are highly visible athletes playing for a highly visible university. I would think the players would want everyone to know exactly what they had done, especially if the infractions were so small.

Why the secrecy?

[wadesworld]

The recent infractions by Darius Johnson-Odom, Junior Cadougan, Vander Blue and Todd Mayo must have been relatively minor, given the minimal punishment.

We can all agree on that, right?

We can all agree, too, that the four players' reputations would only benefit from having the public know details of the infractions, right?

These are highly visible athletes playing for a highly visible university. I would think the players would want everyone to know exactly what they had done, especially if the infractions were so small.

Why the secrecy?

I don't agree that the 4 players' reputations would benefit from having the public know details of the infractions.  Your opinion of them have changed because of that?  That's sad.  It was one half.  Clearly a minor suspension.  If you think Buzz would suspend them for 1/2 of a game due to something serious then I guess you can do that, but that's ridiculous to do so.  It's a team rule.  Not a criminal charge or anything that is a serious character flaw.

[Avenue Commons]

The recent infractions by Darius Johnson-Odom, Junior Cadougan, Vander Blue and Todd Mayo must have been relatively minor, given the minimal punishment.

We can all agree on that, right?

We can all agree, too, that the four players' reputations would only benefit from having the public know details of the infractions, right?

These are highly visible athletes playing for a highly visible university. I would think the players would want everyone to know exactly what they had done, especially if the infractions were so small.

Why the secrecy?

They were late for practice. That's it. No big deal. Everyone has moved on but a handle of posters on this board.

[MUMac]

The recent infractions by Darius Johnson-Odom, Junior Cadougan, Vander Blue and Todd Mayo must have been relatively minor, given the minimal punishment.

We can all agree on that, right?

We can all agree, too, that the four players' reputations would only benefit from having the public know details of the infractions, right?

These are highly visible athletes playing for a highly visible university. I would think the players would want everyone to know exactly what they had done, especially if the infractions were so small.

Why the secrecy?

They did not announce why Junior and DJO were suspended one game earlier in the season.  Sure appears to be the way they handle suspensions.  Why would you expect anything different with this situation?  MU/Buzz have decided all suspensions are handled privately and no reason will ever be announced publicly.  They do not want to cherry pick the times to announce a reason and the times where for sensitivity or other reasons they do not.  So, simply decide not to announce any suspension.  Seems like a sound policy to me.

[Goose]

MuMac--Good post. Who csares why suspended? The coach has rules and they were broken. Keeping things in house makes sense to me.

[ErickJD08]

They did not announce why Junior and DJO were suspended one game earlier in the season.  Sure appears to be the way they handle suspensions.  Why would you expect anything different with this situation?  MU/Buzz have decided all suspensions are handled privately and no reason will ever be announced publicly.  They do not want to cherry pick the times to announce a reason and the times where for sensitivity or other reasons they do not.  So, simply decide not to announce any suspension.  Seems like a sound policy to me.

I agree. The only thing is that the suspensions look a bit weird with the first half, second half thing. Why not the whole game? Some commentary says, "Well, it must have something that wasn't that serious" leaving with "hopefully it wasn't serious". If it wasn't that serious, maybe it wouldn't be the worst thing to explain the situation.