Has Brett Favre lost it?

[MU Avenue]

If the report from barely credible, hardly believable Fox News is correct and Brett Favre has demanded he be traded because the Packers did not sign Randy Moss, it would be the saddest, stupidest ending to a long, often-terrific career.

I like Favre well enough, but the guy and his career are starting to feel like Roger Clemens and his career -- marked by odd decisions and bizarre behavior that team officials continue to allow.

If it is true that Favre has asked to be traded, the Packers should cut him and move forward. I greatly respect tenure and longevity, but who does not think Favre has stayed around too long? Also, who would not agree that Packers officials are showing no spine or management skills by allowing Favre to jerk the team -- and the state of Wisconsin -- around as he has for the past three or four years?

I hope this is just a case of Fox News getting another story wrong.

[Mayor McCheese]

its been all over ESPN this morning... apparently Favre, after the draft, wanted out since the Packers are turning into one of the worst managed teams in any sport, drafts are horrible and don't get any FA... apparently though he has calmed down and realized the stupidity of wanting to be traded

[augoman]

can't blame him, though..., Moss went dirt cheap, we sorely need tight ends, wide receivers, running backs that can catch, offensive linemen, etc. but got 1 good defensive tackle!
#4 came back for love of the game and the promise from mgmt that they were rebuilding w/ eye towards div. championship.  how can that be reconciled w/ drafts, free agency, trades?

[muarmy81]

If it is true that Favre has asked to be traded, the Packers should cut him and move forward. I greatly respect tenure and longevity, but who does not think Favre has stayed around too long? Also, who would not agree that Packers officials are showing no spine or management skills by allowing Favre to jerk the team -- and the state of Wisconsin -- around as he has for the past three or four years?

As a Bears fan, I don't mine Favre hanging around until he's 60    It gives the Bears a chance to even up the series he's dominated for all those years.

[Mayor McCheese]

If it is true that Favre has asked to be traded, the Packers should cut him and move forward. I greatly respect tenure and longevity, but who does not think Favre has stayed around too long? Also, who would not agree that Packers officials are showing no spine or management skills by allowing Favre to jerk the team -- and the state of Wisconsin -- around as he has for the past three or four years?

As a Bears fan, I don't mine Favre hanging around until he's 60    It gives the Bears a chance to even up the series he's dominated for all those years.

Not Brett Favre that is losing for the Packers, he has no help, as a Bears fan, you should want him gone so we can start Rodgers, o boy those will be fun years.

So as a Bears fan, if Favre would want to play for Chicago, your telling me you wouldnt take him for just one year?  Knowing that last year you may have been able to win the Super Bowl with a good QB, which Favre is, give me a break.

[muarmy81]

"Gimme a break"?
For what?  Favre is a first ballot HOFer.  Even as a Bears fan I know he's one of the NFL's best quarterbacks of all time but he's getting old and he can't fit those same balls into those tight spots like he used to so now he's slowly making his way up the all time interceptions list.  That being said I'd probably take him for one more year.  You're right, the packers have zero talent around him and with Chicago he could at least ride a great defense to a great season.

[mosarsour]

It's simple frustration.  Thompson is looking 5 years down the road, and Brett just doesn't have the time to wait.  He wants to win NOW, but that's not going to happen when you're consistently building for the future and not the present.  I'm at the stage right now where I hope Favre gets traded (hopefully to a contender), just know that I'm jumping on whatever team's bandwagon he might land with.  He's been the face of the Packers organization for over a decade and a half.  To not get him another playmaker on offense (maybe even one of the top three or four playmakers this decade) just shows exactly how much they think of Favre and everything he's done for the organization.  Screw the Packers and screw Ted Thompson!  

[Mayor McCheese]

in some Bear games last year, the Bears would have benefitted by just kneeling on every offensive possesion, thats how bad Grossman is.  If the Bears had a QB half as talented as Favre is now, they would be 10x better.

[muarmy81]

Geez,
Who knew you'd be so sensitive about the bears doing well last year with a young quarterback?  But you're right, Grossman didn't play all that well at times during his first full season but at least Favre was an MVP his first full season as a starter    cuz then you can criticize young quartebacks.

[Mayor McCheese]

sorry it took Grossman 4 years to get a full season... have fun with his injuries, one thing you can't teach a player, how to stay healthy.

[muarmy81]

another classy post by a classy packers fan...

[Mayor McCheese]

another classy post by a classy packers fan...

Because Bear fans are always #1 with class      please.


Just stating a fact.

[dwaderoy2004]

2006 Grossman:

SPLIT CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2006  262  480 3193 54.6   6.65  62  23 20   21   73.9

2006 Favre:

SPLIT CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2006  343  613 3885 56.0   6.34 82   18 18   21 72.7

just stating facts.

[Mayor McCheese]

2006 Grossman:

SPLIT CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2006  262  480 3193 54.6   6.65  62  23 20   21   73.9

2006 Favre:

SPLIT CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2006  343  613 3885 56.0   6.34 82   18 18   21 72.7

just stating facts.

can you also show Grossman's first 8 games compared to last 8 games?  Thats always a fun stat 

[BigSky]

If the report from barely credible, hardly believable Fox News is correct and Brett Favre has demanded he be traded because the Packers did not sign Randy Moss, it would be the saddest, stupidest ending to a long, often-terrific career.

I like Favre well enough, but the guy and his career are starting to feel like Roger Clemens and his career -- marked by odd decisions and bizarre behavior that team officials continue to allow.

If it is true that Favre has asked to be traded, the Packers should cut him and move forward. I greatly respect tenure and longevity, but who does not think Favre has stayed around too long? Also, who would not agree that Packers officials are showing no spine or management skills by allowing Favre to jerk the team -- and the state of Wisconsin -- around as he has for the past three or four years?

I hope this is just a case of Fox News getting another story wrong.

Where were you when he was addicted to painkillers and boozed it up?  Where were you when he cheated on his wife all those years? 

Who cares?  Root for the team to win games and for the players to not get arrested and commit crimes.  The rest is irrelevant. 

I remember a time when reporters reported actual news, and didn't chase guys like Favre or Clemens every day on the golf course for any soundbite they can repeat a thousand times and still doesn't strike of any substance.  This just in, Breaking News, Favre wants to win games. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

JW on Fox Sports Radio this morning said Favre has had a "whiner" attitude that the players have known about for years.  He believes Favre should stop holding press conferences in Mississippi each and every year as it only seems to do damage to the franchise.  His advice to Favre was to take a deep breath and not talk until his emotions had calmed down.

Take it for what it's worth, JW is a former player with the Rams, Cowboys and Redskins....his words, not mine.

[BigSky]

Teams win when players get along, when they don't, or when they are indifferent to one another.  It's happened so many times(winning) in so many ways, all that matters is how you do your job within the team, perform in off-season, practice, and at games.   

This guys' a jerk that guys a nice guy, ...etc....never really held any interest to me.  And I've met a few nice guys and a few not so nice guys.   

[Avenue Commons]

This is nothing compared to the Roger Clemens melodrama that has been going on the past few years. Favre just wants to win and the Packers organization hasn't shown a committment to winning. I'm not saying he's going about it the totally right way, but I see where he is coming from.

[mu03eng]

Favre has a valid point.  Maybe he doesn't explain it the right way and maybe he should know better than to talk to the media who are borderline insane in their coverage, but he has a point.

I'm sick of Ted Thompson.  What the heck is the point of having so much salary cap room that we might actually get penalized this year???  I'm not saying overspend on free agents but pick up at least one veteran on offense.

[ozmetal71]

Favre needs to quit......and the entire state of Wisconsin needs to get a life and stop drooling over every word out of his mouth.

He is one of the best QB's of all time, but he really should either call it quits, or shut up and play.  He knew what type of team he was coming back to.  Sorry Brett, but Antonio Freeman, Keith Jennings, Robert Brooks, and Dorsey Levens aren't coming out of the tunnel.

Favre also is starting to show that without a good cast around him, his gunslinging ways are not going to get it done anymore.

And as a Bears fan, no I would not take the Brett Favre of 2006 over Rex Grossman of 2006.  Their stats were almost identical, so its a wash.

Get ready for a 4-12 season for the FudgePackers.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Favre actually had a worse TD:INT ratio then Grossman last year if you can believe it.


ESPN weighs in with some heady stuff.


http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=2869628&name=wickersham_seth&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab2pos2

[ChicosBailBonds]

JS Online Poll at 50-50 whether he should be traded.

Actually slightly more fans say the Pack should trade him then shouldn't...about 50.3%.


http://www2.jsonline.com/sports/sportspoll.asp?poll=7163

[Murffieus]

First of all for all practical purposes this was Grossman's first year----bound to be inconsistent-----when he was on he was outstanding----when off he was horrible.

Favre is declining rapidly-----his arm is still strong, but accuracy has waned.

I think that Favre was correct when he said -----"I think I'm the odd man out here----and they don't know how to tell me".

GB is rebuilding-----but should have trade Favre several years ago and get the QB of the future in there to develop----can't develop holding the clipboard. TT hasn't been upfront with Favre----should have told him he's in a rebuilding mode----and when you rebuild you don't need a 30 year old Randy Moss!

[muarmy81]

Favre actually had a worse TD:INT ratio then Grossman last year if you can believe it.


ESPN weighs in with some heady stuff.


http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=2869628&name=wickersham_seth&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab2pos2

And a worse QB rating:
Grossman = 73.9
Favre = 72.7

[Murffieus]

He thinks by adding Moss-----would bail him out----but Moss pouts if he doesn't get the ball as much as he thinks he should-----he was a lockerroom disaster at Oakland----plus he sure didn't help Aaron Brooks become a better QB !