Another bad performance on national TV

[MUMac]

Frankly, I don't think we played THAT badly. Sure we missed some bunnies and had some pretty poorly timed turnovers, but until about 8 or 9 minutes left in the game, it was a matter of who went on the final run. They did. We had foul trouble and a couple significant injuries. I think we're a better team.

I agree.  Until the last 8 minutes, when MU started mentally pressing and forcing things, I did not feel MU played poorly.  MU was right in it, cutting an 8 point lead to 4 in seconds, and then a defensive lapse, followed by a poor decision on an inbounds by Crowder.  After that, the missed opportunity on the break by Blue.  Then the Hansbro style 3 at the shot clock buzzer.  Those were the plays that decided this game.  Until then, MU played well, but did not finish at the rim like they should/normally do.

[lab_warrior]

Let's see..

National TV (ESPN, ESPN2, CBS):

W- Washington
L- Vandy
W - Louisville
W- Nova
L- Notre Dame

So .. we're 3-2.

If you add in ESPNU games:
W- Nova
L- GTown
W- SJU
W-Pitt

So 6-3.   Not bad.

Thanks for this compilation.  The "another bad loss on national TV" is, to me, "another, tired, useless cliche that permeates this board", along with lack of recruiting big men, practicing FTs, etc. 

[Tugg Speedman]

Thanks for this compilation.  The "another bad loss on national TV" is, to me, "another, tired, useless cliche that permeates this board", along with lack of recruiting big men, practicing FTs, etc. 

I might add that the same person that started this thread whining about "losing on National TV" is the same person that whines non-stop about not practicing FTs.

[mu_hilltopper]

Let's check last year:

L-Duke
L-Gonzaga
L-Wisconsin
L-Vandy
W-WVU
W-ND
L-UL
W-DePaul
W-USF
L-GTown
L-SJU
W-UConn

5 wins, 7 losses - Not so good.

Add in the BET
W-Prov
W-WVU
L-UL


2009 .. it was 7 wins, 6 losses. 

[MU Avenue]

Let's check last year:

L-Duke
L-Gonzaga
L-Wisconsin
L-Vandy
W-WVU
W-ND
L-UL
W-DePaul
W-USF
L-GTown
L-SJU
W-UConn

5 wins, 7 losses - Not so good.

Add in the BET
W-Prov
W-WVU
L-UL


2009 .. it was 7 wins, 6 losses. 

Thank you, mu_hilltopper, for doing the research that I should have done.

Your research shows that Marquette went 7-8 last season on national TV. That included many games in which MU fell behind badly early in the game and had to fight back in the second half to at least make it close.

In 2009, Marquette was 7-6 on national TV.

Going back to even earlier seasons would further show that Marquette often performs poorly on the national stage.

The facts are the facts, like 'em or not.

It is interesting that the same people who were so "vocal" and tough earlier in this post are suddenly so quiet.

SoCalwarrior was right. Facts have no business on this board.

[MUMac]

So, in your world a loss is a bad performance?  Really?

[MU Avenue]

So, in your world a loss is a bad performance?  Really?

Yes, in big-time collegiate athletics, getting your ass kicked by one of your two biggest rivals is a bad performance. And yes, having it happen on national television makes it worse, a lot worse.

Are you and others here kidding?

Allow me to recap: Marquette lost by 17 points to Notre Dame on national TV.

This embarrassing defeat does not make even a few of you a little ticked off?

This was not just a loss, MUMac. It was a 17-point blowout to unranked Notre Dame.

MUMac, please tell me your question was in jest.

If not, allow me to answer this way: Yes, a 17-point loss to Notre Dame is a bad performance that should have many "Marquette" people stewing in their juices.

The score shows that MU was trounced by Notre Dame. Notre Dame's players and fans are celebrating -- and laughing about -- the outcome.

Really? Yes, really.

[MUMac]

Yes, in big-time collegiate athletics, getting your ass kicked by one of your two biggest rivals is a bad performance. And yes, having it happen on national television makes it worse, a lot worse.

Are you and other here kidding?

Allow me to recap: Marquette lost by 17 points to Notre Dame on national TV.

This embarrassing defeat does not make even a few of you a little ticked off?

This was not just a loss, MUMac. It was a 17-point blowout to unranked Notre Dame.

MUMac, please tell me your question was in jest.

If not, allow me to answer this way: Yes, a 17-point loss to Notre Dame is a bad performance that should have many "Marquette" people stewing their juices.

The score shows that MU was trounced by Notre Dame. Notre Dame fans are laughing about the outcome

Really? Yes, really.

You cited the facts from hilltopper for your defense the record in Nationally Televised games.  Now you are back to a blow out.  Which is it, a loss means bad showing or a blowout?  Do you even understand what you post?  Do you follow the thread?  I guess not. 

Are you for real?  If so, stop drinking or inhaling before you post.

[brewcity77]

Really? Yes, really.

I don't know...I'm just not that worked up about this. First, margin doesn't matter. It won't hurt us in RPI, and the computer metrics that do use it aren't heavily valued on Selection Sunday. So no problem losing by 17.

I don't care that much about rankings, as long as we're ranked. Losing in the same fashion Syracuse did isn't going to drop us out of the rankings, so no problem there.

We should still get a top-4 seed in the Big East tournament. That means we're favored in one game and get a tough opponent in the rest. No problem there.

This might drop us a seed-line in the Big Dance, but if we go 13-5 or 14-4 in Big East play and make the Big East final, we'll still be in the top-3 seed lines. Again, no problem with that.

I don't like Notre Dame. I don't like the Joyce. But I expected us to lose this. I thought it would be a bit closer, but I can get over it, especially if we beat DePaul on Monday. Really, I think anyone getting lathered up about this must just like the self-flagellation.

[MU Avenue]

You cited the facts from hilltopper for your defense the record in Nationally Televised games.  Now you are back to a blow out.  Which is it, a loss means bad showing or a blowout?  Do you even understand what you post?  Do you follow the thread?  I guess not. 

Are you for real?  If so, stop drinking or inhaling before you post.

MUMac, your last post makes no sense.

Enough said.

[MUMac]

MUMac, your last post makes no sense.

Enough said.

And you think yours did?

Enough said.

[MUMac]

I don't know...I'm just not that worked up about this. First, margin doesn't matter. It won't hurt us in RPI, and the computer metrics that do use it aren't heavily valued on Selection Sunday. So no problem losing by 17.

I don't care that much about rankings, as long as we're ranked. Losing in the same fashion Syracuse did isn't going to drop us out of the rankings, so no problem there.

We should still get a top-4 seed in the Big East tournament. That means we're favored in one game and get a tough opponent in the rest. No problem there.

This might drop us a seed-line in the Big Dance, but if we go 13-5 or 14-4 in Big East play and make the Big East final, we'll still be in the top-3 seed lines. Again, no problem with that.

I don't like Notre Dame. I don't like the Joyce. But I expected us to lose this. I thought it would be a bit closer, but I can get over it, especially if we beat DePaul on Monday. Really, I think anyone getting lathered up about this must just like the self-flagellation.

A loss at ND without Gardner will not hurt MU in the long run.  It will not hurt much in the eyes of the NCAA.  This is the same ND team that handled Cuse without Melo.  It bothers the emotionally based posters (such as the MUAvenue), but in reality, this one will not hurt much in the long run.

[brewcity77]

MUMac, your last post makes no sense.

Enough said.

It's a bit disjointed, but it makes sense. You are switching your argument. At times, you indicate that losses on national television indicate playing poorly, regardless of the final margin. Then you cite the ND game as evidence of playing poorly because of the final margin.

Not exactly contradictory, but look at last year's losses:

Duke - Close game, fell behind early, came back to make it close
Gonzaga - Close, should have won, neither team played well, but it was winnable
Wisconsin - Relatively close game
Vanderbilt - Nailbiter that came down to us losing a lead then missing out on a game-winning chance in the last 10 seconds
Louisville - Ugly collapse, but we were right in it, and played great for 35 minutes
Georgetown - Had the lead at half and much of the second, they pulled away in the final 10 minutes
St. John's - Our only truly bad performance last year, though it was close until the last 10 minutes

So which of those were bad performances? I think we certainly showed up (at least as the national audience would perceive) against Duke, Gonzaga, Vanderbilt, Louisville, and Georgetown. So maybe 2 really bad performances out of 12 games, then a 4-2 record in postseason play (though both losses were ugly).

Out of 18 games last year, we had truly bad games 4 times, less than 25%. Hardly supports any argument that we always crap the bed in nationally televised games.

[MU Avenue]

You cited the facts from hilltopper for your defense the record in Nationally Televised games.  Now you are back to a blow out.  Which is it, a loss means bad showing or a blowout?  Do you even understand what you post?  Do you follow the thread?  I guess not. 

Are you for real?  If so, stop drinking or inhaling before you post.

No, really, MUMac. Your second-to-last post makes no sense.

I am not saying that I disagree with it or do not like it. I am saying that you have written words that make no sense. None ... as in incomprehensible.

No need to reply ... please.

[MUMac]

No, really, MUMac. Your second-to-last post makes no sense.

I am not saying that I disagree with it or do not like it. I am saying that you have written words that make no sense. None ... as in incomprehensible.

No need to reply ... please.

Look Einstein, your OP premise was that MU plays poorly in Nationally Televised games (a pure emotion based comment and argument).  Hilltopper gave the record in Nationally Televised games.  You latched onto that as a baby to it's mothers breast as evidence that your post is correct.  Thus, as I stated, then you must believe any loss means poor performance.  Then you went into some incoherent diatribe about today's game.  Only today's game.  What did that have to do with post that you were responding to?  Really, what did it have to do with it?  I never mentioned today's game and that was my first comment in this thread.

I asked, which is it Einstein?  Any loss equates to a poor performance, as your post inferred, or today's game.  You seem to have a really difficult time following your own positions and arguments.

Really, you are solely an emotion based poster.  I mean this sincerely, I am not certain of your basketball knowledge.  Any post you make has no basis in fact, only in emotion.

I am sorry this team embarrassed you today.  You certainly deserve a better effort from them.

[Tugg Speedman]

I still don't get the point of this thread.  Here is what I see.

We play about 13 to 15 nationally televised games.  That is way more than I would have guessed.

Nationally televised games are the hardest games of the year.  We are not playing Centenary and/or Mt. saint Mary's on national TV.  

Hopefully all our loses come on national broadcasts.  Otherwise we are probably losing to a team we should beat.

Given all this, the fact that we are better than .500 in nationally televised games is good.


So what is the point of this thread?  I guess the complaint is we lose to really good teams.  This seems to be a real shock to Avenue and he cannot come to grips with it.

Maybe we'll lose to Depaul and Rutgers and avenue will feel good because they are not national games.  Is that what you want?

[🏀]

I am sorry this team embarrassed you today.  You certainly deserve a better effort from them.

I'M WHITE AND I'M ENTITLED!

[MU82]

Let's check last year:

L-Duke
L-Gonzaga
L-Wisconsin
L-Vandy
W-WVU
W-ND
L-UL
W-DePaul
W-USF
L-GTown
L-SJU
W-UConn

5 wins, 7 losses - Not so good.

Add in the BET
W-Prov
W-WVU
L-UL


2009 .. it was 7 wins, 6 losses. 

Thanks for the compilaton. But, um, weren't the NCAA tourney games on national TV? If so, that makes it 9-9 on national TV last year, including wins in 4 of our biggest games (2 BET, 2 NCAA). For this year and last, 15-12, almost all against really good teams.

I'd like to be better, of course, but I see no reason to jump from the ledge.

[Mr. Nielsen]

Let's see..

National TV (ESPN, ESPN2, CBS):

W- Washington
L- Vandy
W - Louisville
W- Nova
L- Notre Dame

So .. we're 3-2.

If you add in ESPNU games:
W- Nova
L- GTown
W- SJU
W-Pitt

So 6-3.   Not bad.

2-0 Fox and 1-0 on BTN

[mu_hilltopper]

Thanks for the compilaton. But, um, weren't the NCAA tourney games on national TV?

Yeah, that dawned on me in the 2nd post that the NCAAs are national TV. 

Then I saw that our first two games last March were on "TruTV" and I thought WTF is TruTV?   

Man, what a disaster that was.  20 million people calling their cable company.

[Tugg Speedman]

I'm a few days late on this ... The WVU game was a nationally televised game.  And we suspended haf the team and still won.

Can we finally send the idea that we always lose nationally televised to the same place we sent the don't practice free throws threads ... the island of wrong ideas.

I look forward to the next incorrect/invented idea this board will come up with.

[muwarrior69]

Then why bring it up. Lets face it every team that gets into the tournament is going to loose on National TV, except the National Champion. I would like to be in the position many of those young men will be who loose come this spring and sign a nice contract with an NBA or even a European team.

[tower912]

Way to hoop a thread!   Although it is always entertaining to read MUAvenue's opinion.