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jesmu84

Please? Pretty please?

http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/id/7518789/orlando-magic-dwight-howard-ok-playing-chicago-bulls

Honestly though, if Howard's goal is to win multiple championships, Chicago is absolutely the place to go at the moment.  If he wants money or doesn't care about winning, anywhere else will do.

wojosdojo

Honestly, I think the Bulls are better off without him. One superstar and a (very) solid supporting cast will win this team multiple championships.

wadesworld

Quote from: buzzchiapet on January 30, 2012, 11:50:19 AM
Honestly, I think the Bulls are better off without him. One superstar and a (very) solid supporting cast will win this team multiple championships.

Not with the Heat having 3 superstars and the Thunder having 2 superstars and an even better supporting cast.

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Quote from: buzzchiapet on January 30, 2012, 11:50:19 AM
Honestly, I think the Bulls are better off without him. One superstar and a (very) solid supporting cast will win this team multiple championships.

This lineup won't be the Heat in a 7 game series.

wadesworld

Quote from: marqptm on January 30, 2012, 12:01:39 PM
This lineup won't be the Heat in a 7 game series.

Agreed.  I'm not sure Howard is the answer either though.  Especially with how much I would guess they would have to give up to get Howard (maybe they wouldn't have to give up that much, who knows?).  I will say, even though I hate the Bulls (only because I don't want to see Chicago get any championships...not an NBA fan until the playoffs, and the Bucks aren't there very often, and when they are it's only for a very short period of time, so go Thunder), there would be a lot of fun highlights with Rose and Howard on the same team.  Would rival CP3 and Blake in LALA Land.

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Quote from: wadesworld on January 30, 2012, 12:11:39 PM
Agreed.  I'm not sure Howard is the answer either though.  Especially with how much I would guess they would have to give up to get Howard (maybe they wouldn't have to give up that much, who knows?).  I will say, even though I hate the Bulls (only because I don't want to see Chicago get any championships...not an NBA fan until the playoffs, and the Bucks aren't there very often, and when they are it's only for a very short period of time, so go Thunder), there would be a lot of fun highlights with Rose and Howard on the same team.  Would rival CP3 and Blake in LALA Land.

If they can keep Deng, it'll be enough to take out the Heat.

Rose/Howard would dominate CP3/BG

robmufan

The bulls need to realize games like this don't mean a whole lot.  The bulls need to make sure they are as healthy has can be for the playoffs.  Rose already said his toe isn't going to get better, so get him rest.

We all know boozer and noah will go down with some crappy injury, sit one of them for a game here and there. 

There are a lot of bad teams in the NBA. Use those games to rest people.

wadesworld

Quote from: marqptm on January 30, 2012, 12:14:22 PM
If they can keep Deng, it'll be enough to take out the Heat.

Rose/Howard would dominate CP3/BG

I meant Rose and howard rivaling CP3 and Griffin in terms of highlights.  They would absolutely dominate them in terms of basketball ability.

Deng, Rose, Howard and the supporting cast could definitely give the Heat all they can handle, but I'm not sure if they'd take them out or not.  I think Howard is an incredibly overrated team basketball players.  One of those guys who is an unbelievable talent, yet somehow fails to make his team that much better like a guy like Kobe does.  He hasn't really improved his game all that much throughout his career.  He's still just a guy who can jump really high and dunk a ball really hard and rebound really well, but not much else.

MUBurrow

Anyone have an inkling what a Howard to Bulls deal would look like? I'm guessing 2 of Deng, Noah, Boozer, and Gibson and 2 first rounders?

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Quote from: MUBurrow on January 30, 2012, 12:34:51 PM
Anyone have an inkling what a Howard to Bulls deal would look like? I'm guessing 2 of Deng, Noah, Boozer, and Gibson and 2 first rounders?

Noah, Booz, Gibson, Butler and a first round is a starting place.

TallTitan34

If you can get it done without losing Deng, make it happen.

jesmu84

Keep Deng for sure. Hopefully keep Gibson as well. Hopefully a semi-capable defensive minded supporting cast. Need a shooter or two. Ray Allen after the season?

Deng, Rose, Howard, Gibson is a great nucleus for the next 5-7 years

dwaderoy2004

Quote from: TallTitan34 on January 30, 2012, 12:51:40 PM
If you can get it done without losing Deng, make it happen.

That's pretty much my take as well.

Henry Sugar

Quote from: TallTitan34 on January 30, 2012, 12:51:40 PM
If you can get it done without losing Deng, make it happen.

I think this undervalues how good many of the other parts on the Bulls have been. 

For example, using Wins Produced from last year.

Rose - 10.2 wins
Deng - 9.8
Brewer - 9.1
Noah - 8.4
Gibson - 6.4
Bogans - 4.4
Boozer - 4.2

vs Howard (18.4 wins)

The Bulls win a lot of games because they have a lot of good parts.  Mortgage too many of those parts away...
A warrior is an empowered and compassionate protector of others.

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Quote from: Henry Sugar on January 30, 2012, 01:36:58 PM
I think this undervalues how good many of the other parts on the Bulls have been. 

For example, using Wins Produced from last year.

Rose - 10.2 wins
Deng - 9.8
Brewer - 9.1
Noah - 8.4
Gibson - 6.4
Bogans - 4.4
Boozer - 4.2

vs Howard (18.4 wins)

The Bulls win a lot of games because they have a lot of good parts.  Mortgage too many of those parts away...

Lose Noah, Gibson, Boozer for 19 wins for Howard's 18.4 wins.

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Quote from: TallTitan34 on January 30, 2012, 12:51:40 PM
If you can get it done without losing Deng, make it happen.

Cannot lose Omer either.

JWags85

If the Bulls could shed Boozer in order to get Howard, that would be fantastic.  Talk about switching from playing under the rim to well above it.  Boozer's jumper makes babies cry

GGGG

Quote from: marqptm on January 30, 2012, 01:40:27 PM
Cannot lose Omer either.


Was this supposed to be in teal?  This is the essence of the Bull's issues.  They love their own players too much.

MUCrew

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 30, 2012, 02:05:52 PM

Was this supposed to be in teal?  This is the essence of the Bull's issues.  They love their own players too much.

I think we would all assume Noah would be dealt if Howard is brought in.  Losing Noah AND Omer would not be in the Bulls' best interests.

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Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 30, 2012, 02:05:52 PM

Was this supposed to be in teal?  This is the essence of the Bull's issues.  They love their own players too much.

Have you watched Omer this year? Killing it defensively.

GGGG

I've watched Omer this year.  Howard is still better and shouldn't be a reason for why they don't trade for him.

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Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 30, 2012, 02:17:51 PM
I've watched Omer this year.  Howard is still better and shouldn't be a reason for why they don't trade for him.

I agree, but if you're giving up Noah and Gibson, Omer cannot be included.

GGGG

OK...got it.  Makes sense.

dwaderoy2004

Orlando may prefer Omer to Noah based on their play this season...

RJax55

Noah has been playing better lately, 4 straight double-doubles. Unfortunately, he was out of shape during the lockout, and he now looks to be slowly rounding back into game shape.

I like Omer, but his offensive game is brutal. I mean, he makes Noah look like Olajuwon. On this Bulls team and in his role, that's ok.... He's a back-up big on a defensive minded team. However, if he's your starter and playing 35 minutes a night, the fact that he's completely useless on the offensive end is going to hurt you.

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