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Marquette's players and coaches blow another game, this time against Georgetown. A 14-point halftime lead and 17-point second-half lead end in a 73-70 loss.

Mistakes, including many turnovers and perplexing coaching decisions and strategies, again cost us dearly.

But some here feel the need to chastise posters here who see serious problems and are willing to acknowledge them publicly.

Why? Why do some here think it best to simply accept and, thus, ignore our team's play and our coaches' coaching, which in the same game can range from terrific to woeful?

It is still true that you have to acknowledge serious problems before you can fix them, right?

Hards Alumni

You're right, it is totally inconceivable that the #9 team playing at home could come back from 14 points down at halftime to win a game.

CTWarrior

Quote from: Hards_Alumni on January 04, 2012, 08:57:16 PM
You're right, it is totally inconceivable that the #9 team playing at home could come back from 14 points down at halftime to win a game.

You're right, the number 20 team in the country shouldn't be expected to be able to hang on to a 17 point lead with less than 13 minutes to go.
Calvin:  I'm a genius.  But I'm a misunderstood genius. 
Hobbes:  What's misunderstood about you?
Calvin:  Nobody thinks I'm a genius.

MerrittsMustache

Quote from: MU Avenue on January 04, 2012, 08:44:34 PM
Marquette's players and coaches blow another game, this time against Georgetown. A 14-point halftime lead and 17-point second-half lead end in a 73-70 loss.

Mistakes, including many turnovers and perplexing coaching decisions and strategies, again cost us dearly.

But some here feel the need to chastise posters here who see serious problems and are willing to acknowledge them publicly.

Why? Why do some here think it best to simply accept and, thus, ignore our team's play and our coaches' coaching, which in the same game can range from terrific to woeful?

It is still true that you have to acknowledge serious problems before you can fix them, right?

Come on, Scoopers! If we work together, we can get this team back on track!  ::)


Blackhat

The liabilities are obvious after 3 years with Buzz.  I don't mind if people attack those who point them out because many times they do so in douche fashions (except me) and the team needs support.

denverMU

I am a huge Marquette fan.  As such, I cheer for and support MU.  There are many times I scream at the tv because of bad plays and or coaching moves.  Then I take a breath and realize it is a basketball game.  Also, I have so much respect for Buzz and our team.  They work their asses off, they get an education, and they represent MU better than any other team represents their school.  Yes I want to win every game play but I think Buzz and our team try their hardest to win every time too.  Fans support their team in good and bad times. we took a hard loss and I bet no one feels worse then Buzz and our team.  They deserve our support.

Golden Avalanche

Quote from: CTWarrior on January 04, 2012, 09:00:16 PM
You're right, the number 20 team in the country shouldn't be expected to be able to hang on to a 17 point lead with less than 13 minutes to go.

+1.

The time for absolving has past.

79Warrior

Quote from: Hards_Alumni on January 04, 2012, 08:57:16 PM
You're right, it is totally inconceivable that the #9 team playing at home could come back from 14 points down at halftime to win a game.

Perhaps, but good teams close out wins with 17 point leads deep into the second half. MU has seen its highest ranking of the season for sure. Say goodbye to Top 25 on Monday unless the Cuse does goes not show up.

godzilla

Quote from: denverMU on January 04, 2012, 09:11:59 PM
I am a huge Marquette fan.  As such, I cheer for and support MU.  There are many times I scream at the tv because of bad plays and or coaching moves.  Then I take a breath and realize it is a basketball game.  Also, I have so much respect for Buzz and our team.  They work their asses off, they get an education, and they represent MU better than any other team represents their school.  Yes I want to win every game play but I think Buzz and our team try their hardest to win every time too.  Fans support their team in good and bad times. we took a hard loss and I bet no one feels worse then Buzz and our team.  They deserve our support.

The players/coaches aren't little babies.  There are problems with Buzz's defensive system which have been pointed out numerous times by numerous posters and they aren't going away as long as he's the coach.  And blowing gigantic leads is now part and parcel of a Buzz Williams coached team.  Just compare how MU never even came close to getting back into the Vandy game and how MU utterly collapsed when they had the huge lead.  This doesn't happen to most teams.  There are always runs and comebacks.  But not being able to hold a 17 pt lead with 13 minutes left (not to mention the Louisville game)?

CTWarrior

Quote from: denverMU on January 04, 2012, 09:11:59 PM
I am a huge Marquette fan.  As such, I cheer for and support MU.  There are many times I scream at the tv because of bad plays and or coaching moves.  Then I take a breath and realize it is a basketball game.  Also, I have so much respect for Buzz and our team.  They work their asses off, they get an education, and they represent MU better than any other team represents their school.  Yes I want to win every game play but I think Buzz and our team try their hardest to win every time too.  Fans support their team in good and bad times. we took a hard loss and I bet no one feels worse then Buzz and our team.  They deserve our support.
I watched the Buzz weekly show and swelled with pride watching the Buzz's bunch segment.  I'm glad he's our coach, I think the young men on that basketball team all seem to be good guys that I'm proud of and happy to root for.  I can still get angry when they melt down like this, though.  Doesn't mean I don't support them.  It's infuriating.
Calvin:  I'm a genius.  But I'm a misunderstood genius. 
Hobbes:  What's misunderstood about you?
Calvin:  Nobody thinks I'm a genius.

denverMU

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Quote from: godzilla on January 04, 2012, 09:20:18 PM
The players/coaches aren't little babies.  There are problems with Buzz's defensive system which have been pointed out numerous times by numerous posters and they aren't going away as long as he's the coach.  And blowing gigantic leads is now part and parcel of a Buzz Williams coached team.  Just compare how MU never even came close to getting back into the Vandy game and how MU utterly collapsed when they had the huge lead.  This doesn't happen to most teams.  There are always runs and comebacks.  But not being able to hold a 17 pt lead with 13 minutes left (not to mention the Louisville game)?

No they are not babies,but they don't suck and they are not idiots.  Also, if Buzz defensive system is so bad, how did we get up by 17?
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Quote from: CTWarrior on January 04, 2012, 09:23:36 PM
I watched the Buzz weekly show and swelled with pride watching the Buzz's bunch segment.  I'm glad he's our coach, I think the young men on that basketball team all seem to be good guys that I'm proud of and happy to root for.  I can still get angry when they melt down like this, though.  Doesn't mean I don't support them.  It's infuriating.

Yes it is infuriating but some of the over the top posts here are even more infuriating.

79Warrior

Quote from: godzilla on January 04, 2012, 09:20:18 PM
The players/coaches aren't little babies.  There are problems with Buzz's defensive system which have been pointed out numerous times by numerous posters and they aren't going away as long as he's the coach.  And blowing gigantic leads is now part and parcel of a Buzz Williams coached team.  Just compare how MU never even came close to getting back into the Vandy game and how MU utterly collapsed when they had the huge lead.  This doesn't happen to most teams.  There are always runs and comebacks.  But not being able to hold a 17 pt lead with 13 minutes left (not to mention the Louisville game)?

Or UW in the NCAA two years ago.

Lennys Tap

Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on January 04, 2012, 09:13:44 PM
+1.

The time for absolving has past.

Pretty sure that Buzz and the players don't give a spit about someone like you giving them absolution.

Golden Avalanche

Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 04, 2012, 09:31:58 PM
Pretty sure that Buzz and the players don't give a spit about someone like you giving them absolution.

Probably not so long as they have people like you to kiss ass and build up the "$hit don't stink" attitude we've seen over the last 45 games.


MU Avenue

Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 04, 2012, 09:31:58 PM
Pretty sure that Buzz and the players don't give a spit about someone like you giving them absolution.

Lennys Tap, you really believe that "Buzz and the players don't give a spit" about what people like us think about them and their efforts?

Golly, I hope that is not true. I would think they have at least a passing interest in how their audience and customers feel about them and their success.

hepennypacker5000

Quote from: MU Avenue on January 04, 2012, 09:42:26 PM
Lennys Tap, you really believe that "Buzz and the players don't give a spit" about what people like us think about them and their efforts?

Golly, I hope that is not true. I would think they have at least a passing interest in how their audience and customers feel about them and their success.

Their motto is "Grind together, shine together." That does not include a single member of this board. I guarantee they do not give a unnatural carnal knowledge, and frankly I don't think they should.

🏀

Quote from: MU Avenue on January 04, 2012, 09:42:26 PM
Lennys Tap, you really believe that "Buzz and the players don't give a spit" about what people like us think about them and their efforts?

Golly, I hope that is not true. I would think they have at least a passing interest in how their audience and customers feel about them and their success.

I would hope there is no interest in irrational fans who emerge only after a loss to spew crap everywhere with very little logical or actual knowledge of what happened in Washington DC.

GGGG

Quote from: hepennypacker5000 on January 04, 2012, 10:39:00 PM
Their motto is "Grind together, shine together." That does not include a single member of this board. I guarantee they do not give a frack, and frankly I don't think they should.


OK....good.

Hards Alumni

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Quote from: CTWarrior on January 04, 2012, 09:00:16 PM
You're right, the number 20 team in the country shouldn't be expected to be able to hang on to a 17 point lead with less than 13 minutes to go.

Its college basketball.  This is why we watch.

It really sucks, and I hate it as much as anyone.  But GU played poorly enough for us to go up 17 points.  We played poorly enough for them to make up 20.

Almost no one predicted us to win this game, and I know that I expected us to lose by double digits.

I know that a lot of people think its about the process, not the end result... But would you have been happier if we were down 15 the whole game and lost by 3 at the end?

I know we would have had half the board saying that we 'played with a lot of heart' and that we 'really battled back'... and that is a joke.  If we switch the first and second half this is the case!  And you're telling me that makes it okay? 

bilsu

It is only a game. However, this is the first time I thought we were playing Crean ball under Buzz. From about 5 minutes on we were trying to use all of the 35 second clock. I hate playing not to lose, because frankly that is how you lose games.

Hards Alumni

Quote from: bilsu on January 05, 2012, 07:28:01 AM
It is only a game. However, this is the first time I thought we were playing Crean ball under Buzz. From about 5 minutes on we were trying to use all of the 35 second clock. I hate playing not to lose, because frankly that is how you lose games.

I agree with this totally.  I hate when we come out of attack mode, and just try to slow it down.  It has never worked very well under Buzz.  Every time we slow it down, I text my cousin, "Here we go" and then the other team starts coming back on us.

Golden Avalanche

Quote from: marqptm on January 04, 2012, 10:45:43 PM
I would hope there is no interest in irrational fans who emerge only after a loss to spew crap everywhere with very little logical or actual knowledge of what happened in Washington DC.

As opposed to the rational fans who only emerge after a win to spew rainbows everywhere?

Having a laugh.

muwarrior69

What's to defend? One got away from us and I am sure the whole team does'nt need anyone to tell them what they already know.

mu_hilltopper

I have a different take.  I didn't think they were milking the clock.  I thought GTown had the adjustment, energy, and strategy to prevent MU from scoring, plain and simple.

MU wasn't passing around to kill time .. they were unsuccessfully trying to find holes, to get into the paint.  GTown's defense improved, our offense had no answer.  

MUMac

Quote from: mu_hilltopper on January 05, 2012, 08:49:53 AM
I have a different take.  I didn't think they were milking the clock.  I thought GTown had the adjustment, energy, and strategy to prevent MU from scoring, plain and simple.

MU wasn't passing around to kill time .. they were unsuccessfully trying to find holes, to get into the paint.  GTown's defense improved, our offense had no answer.  

That's exactly what I saw as well.  GT picked up their D and played well.  Tip of the cap to them.  Our guys never adjusted or found the seems.

In addition, according to the paper this morning, GT missed only 5 shots in the 2nd half last night.  Shooting 76%.  That is not all on MU's defense, GT was on fire in addition to lapses on defense.

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