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Marqevans

We go up 17 on a huge 3 and Buzz breaks our momentum with an immediate time out. Are you kidding me?

PGsHeroes32

One of the many, many reasons we blow every lead we ever build.


Vandy? They kept the lead no problem.
Lazar picking up where the BIG 3 left off....

CTWarrior

Quote from: MARQEVANS on January 04, 2012, 08:08:52 PM
We go up 17 on a huge 3 and Buzz breaks our momentum with an immediate time out. Are you kidding me?

Agreed.  Lead to a quick 5-0 run and that's when we stopped running offense, too.
Calvin:  I'm a genius.  But I'm a misunderstood genius. 
Hobbes:  What's misunderstood about you?
Calvin:  Nobody thinks I'm a genius.

groove

Hey at least he didn't offense/defense sub through the entire game like he usually does. Horrendous.  

#MUBB

Quote from: MARQEVANS on January 04, 2012, 08:08:52 PM
We go up 17 on a huge 3 and Buzz breaks our momentum with an immediate time out. Are you kidding me?

+1

Sadly, that timeout was the turning point. No clue why it was called but Buzz has a tendency to call TO's after big buckets in the 2nd. It seemed to really come back to bite us tonight.

Warrior of Law

I've never seen a team give up so many huge runs to an opponent.  Tonights run was 34-14. Vandy was 31-6. Louisville last year was even worse.  I just don't get what they're trying to do defensively.
"You can only protect your liberties in this world by protecting the other man's freedom. You can only be free if I am free."  Clarence Darrow

lab_warrior

Quote from: MARQEVANS on January 04, 2012, 08:08:52 PM
We go up 17 on a huge 3 and Buzz breaks our momentum with an immediate time out. Are you kidding me?

I don't think ONE TIMEOUT really has much to do with a collapse that had LEGION of reasons for happening.  Does anyone really think that if he didn't call that, that we wouldn't have gagged the game away? 

Do something productive, and start making a list of horrible defensive plays, turnovers, missed FTs, and lack of rebounds that lost the game for us.

Hards Alumni

Quote from: lab_warrior on January 04, 2012, 08:20:26 PM
I don't think ONE TIMEOUT really has much to do with a collapse that had LEGION of reasons for happening.  Does anyone really think that if he didn't call that, that we wouldn't have gagged the game away? 

Do something productive, and start making a list of horrible defensive plays, turnovers, missed FTs, and lack of rebounds that lost the game for us.

You took the words right out of my mouth.

Mr. Nielsen

If we are all thinking alike, we're not thinking at all. It's OK to disagree. Just don't be disagreeable.
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lab_warrior

Buzz' timeouts >> Roger McDowell's LOOGIES at Newman >> Oswald's second shot

THAT IS ONE MAGIC TIMEOUT!

CTWarrior

Quote from: lab_warrior on January 04, 2012, 08:20:26 PM
I don't think ONE TIMEOUT really has much to do with a collapse that had LEGION of reasons for happening.  Does anyone really think that if he didn't call that, that we wouldn't have gagged the game away? 

Do something productive, and start making a list of horrible defensive plays, turnovers, missed FTs, and lack of rebounds that lost the game for us.

Yes, I think if he didn't use that timeout we would have won.  We lost a one possession game and they went on a 5-0 run in 25 seconds immediately following the TO.  Momentum in basketball is real.  Out brutal playing started immediately after that timeout. 
Calvin:  I'm a genius.  But I'm a misunderstood genius. 
Hobbes:  What's misunderstood about you?
Calvin:  Nobody thinks I'm a genius.

Silkk the Shaka

I have to admit I was really confused by that timeout. We were going for the jugular, then he subbed Derrick Wilson in and they hit a 3 coming out of the TO and Wilson turned it over on a pointless pass and they scored immediately in transition which got the crowd into it for the first time in forever. The lead went from 17 to 12 in the blink of an eye and the crowd seemed to energize GTown the rest of the way.

Marqevans

I'm just saying the team is up and full of energy after a huge 3 and then you let all the air out by taking a time out.  Let the other guy call the time out!

Silkk the Shaka

Quote from: MARQEVANS on January 04, 2012, 08:45:17 PM
I'm just saying the team is up and full of energy after a huge 3 and then you let all the air out by taking a time out.  Let the other guy call the time out!

Agreed, especially when we could have used it at the end when the wheels were coming off.

groove

Plus there was a tv timeout coming up soon also, correct?

MUMac

Quote from: Jamailman on January 04, 2012, 08:43:58 PM
I have to admit I was really confused by that timeout. We were going for the jugular, then he subbed Derrick Wilson in and they hit a 3 coming out of the TO and Wilson turned it over on a pointless pass and they scored immediately in transition which got the crowd into it for the first time in forever. The lead went from 17 to 12 in the blink of an eye and the crowd seemed to energize GTown the rest of the way.

That is what I saw.  I don't know if he was trying to get Wilson in at the time to give Blue a blo or not.  Wilson, though, committed a foul, played poor d and turned it over - the run was on.

MUMac

Quote from: groove on January 04, 2012, 08:47:54 PM
Plus there was a tv timeout coming up soon also, correct?

Yes.  I think that is why he wanted to get Wilson in and give Blue a rest.  After Wilson's play, I believe he put Cadougan back in first.

lab_warrior

Quote from: CTWarrior on January 04, 2012, 08:41:07 PM
Yes, I think if he didn't use that timeout we would have won.  We lost a one possession game and they went on a 5-0 run in 25 seconds immediately following the TO.  Momentum in basketball is real.  Out brutal playing started immediately after that timeout. 

Well, I disagree, COMPLETELY.  That timeout had as much to do with winning/losing as Vander's high five does with team chemistry.  

CTWarrior

Quote from: lab_warrior on January 04, 2012, 08:53:55 PM
Well, I disagree, COMPLETELY.  That timeout had as much to do with winning/losing as Vander's high five does with team chemistry.  

Look, we did a lot of things wrong those last 13 minutes, and if any one of them were done differently, we could have won.  I think the TO was one of those things, and it was the first of those things and got the ball rolling.  Of course we should have won whether or not we called a timeout there.
Calvin:  I'm a genius.  But I'm a misunderstood genius. 
Hobbes:  What's misunderstood about you?
Calvin:  Nobody thinks I'm a genius.

lab_warrior

So, for (mostly MY) future reference, here's the four scenarios:

1. Buzz calls TO, MUBB goes on 10-0 run, ices game = BRILLIANT COACHING
2. Buzz doesn't call TO, MUBB goes on 10-0 run, ices game = BRILLIANT COACHING
3. Buzz doesn't call TO, G'Town goes on 10-0 run, gets back into it = BAD COACHING
4. Buzz calls TO, G'Town goes on 10-0 run, gets back into it = BAD COACHING

basically a 50/50 chance there, and apparently 100% chance of Catch-22.  


CTWarrior

Quote from: lab_warrior on January 04, 2012, 09:04:28 PM
So, for (mostly MY) future reference, here's the four scenarios:

1. Buzz calls TO, MUBB goes on 10-0 run, ices game = BRILLIANT COACHING
2. Buzz doesn't call TO, MUBB goes on 10-0 run, ices game = BRILLIANT COACHING
3. Buzz doesn't call TO, G'Town goes on 10-0 run, gets back into it = BAD COACHING
4. Buzz calls TO, G'Town goes on 10-0 run, gets back into it = BAD COACHING

basically a 50/50 chance there, and apparently 100% chance of Catch-22.  



I am not a second guesser.  When he called that timeout, my first thought was "what the heck (euphemism) is he doing?"  I think if we went on a 10-0 run after that TO it would have been a bad timeout that worked out well.
Calvin:  I'm a genius.  But I'm a misunderstood genius. 
Hobbes:  What's misunderstood about you?
Calvin:  Nobody thinks I'm a genius.

forgetful

I think he called a timeout, because the team was getting gassed.  Yes they continued to build the lead, but there defense was starting to lax (was working but not because of good D).  He wanted to get them an extended rest so that we could possibly carry the energy to the end of the game.

As people note.  Wilson came in, made a quick foul, then a turnover and we lost momentum.  That doesn't make the TO a bad move.  If he didn't call a TO and the players were gassed and gave up a 7-0 run before the tv timeout you would all be saying "Why didn't buzz call a TO and get the guys a rest".

Silkk the Shaka

Quote from: CTWarrior on January 04, 2012, 09:07:14 PM
I am not a second guesser.  When he called that timeout, my first thought was "what the heck (euphemism) is he doing?"  I think if we went on a 10-0 run after that TO it would have been a bad timeout that worked out well.

I'm far from a second d guesser as well and that was my reaction exactly. Thought when I heard the whistle blow it was form sure Thompson calling a TO. Come to think of it I'm not sure I've ever seen a coach ice his own team like that.

godzilla

I just don't believe in stopping positive momentum, even if a player is tired.  Georgetown was reeling and the TO and putting Wilson in immediately brought them back into the game.

lab_warrior

As another poster mentioned before, there was a TV timeout close to the one Buzz called.  So under the "not second guessing" logic, I expect a thread blaming ESPN-U for the loss?
Again, the timeout, as a SINGLE MOMENT occuring in the TOTALITY of the game, did not cause the loss.  There are lots of other reasons why we lost.

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