Blue's FT motion

[ATWizJr]

This may have been discusssed before, but he looks like he is shooting with stiff legs which means all arms propelling the FT. Awkward looking and ineffective.   Please Vander, bend your legs!

[4everwarriors]

Same terrible technique he has when slappin' five.

[MUMac]

This may have been discusssed before, but he looks like he is shooting with stiff legs which means all arms propelling the FT. Awkward looking and ineffective.   Please Vander, bend your legs!

I don't recall this specific topic, but you are correct.  He does his shoot FT's a bit stiff.  In fact, many of his shots are a little stiff.  When he squares on his 3 attempts and shoots more of a set shot, he has better knee bend, but still, not as much.

[Dawson Rental]

Same terrible technique he has when slappin' five.

Damn it, you beat me to it by less than 10 minutes!

[National Champs]

Same terrible technique he has when slappin' five.

Also similar to your technique of beating the dead horse.

[Untucked]

He has alligator arms and flicks the ball. The rotation on the ball is crazy high.

[MUMac]

He has alligator arms and flicks the ball. The rotation on the ball is crazy high.

Around the FT line, during action, he sometimes looks like he has a shot put.  On those shots, I would rather he elevate and shoot with his wrists. 

[Lennys Tap]

Looks to me like he shoots the ball from well back in his palm rather than his finger tips.

[NersEllenson]

I don't recall this specific topic, but you are correct.  He does his shoot FT's a bit stiff.  In fact, many of his shots are a little stiff.  When he squares on his 3 attempts and shoots more of a set shot, he has better knee bend, but still, not as much.

Around the FT line, during action, he sometimes looks like he has a shot put.  On those shots, I would rather he elevate and shoot with his wrists. 

You must be a Vander hater.  How dare you write anything critical about Vander. 

[MUMac]

You must be a Vander hater.  How dare you write anything critical about Vander.  

Give it a rest.  When did I call you a Vander hater?  I will anxiously await your response ... lol  

You acted like an a$$ and were called out ... again, just this time by me (and others). Now you are acting like a grade school girl.  This shouldn't be too hard for you to accept or understand by now.  You seem to bring this on a lot on this board.  Maybe it's time for some self reflection, ners.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

You must be a Vander hater.  How dare you write anything critical about Vander. 

Ners,

There are several parts of vander's game that aren't very good and can be critiqued.

You're getting ripped on because you are bringing up high-fives and then extrapolating from there. It's silly. You know that.

[NersEllenson]

Give it a rest.  When did I call you a Vander hater?  I will anxiously await your response ... lol  

You acted like an a$$ and were called out ... again, just this time by me (and others). Now you are acting like a grade school girl.  This shouldn't be too hard for you to accept or understand by now.  You seem to bring this on a lot on this board.  Maybe it's time for some self reflection, ners.

Love the guy who tells others they need to self reflect, maybe take a break from posting, and criticizes one for name calling...then goes on in 1 post to say I: acted like an ass, and a grade school girl.  Double standard ever Mac?

And...never said you were a Vander hater (hypersensitive ever?).  It was a reference to other posters here who called me a Vander hater because I started a thread about Vander being a dick of a teammate..which Mike Kelly seemed to think was the case too.  See how it works Mac - I post something critical of Vander I'm a hater...I support MU through and through and get called a fan boy etc...pretty much a mind f*ck.  Perhaps you can reflect on that...

[Mutaman]

When I first saw Blue shoot a free throw last year, I couldn't believe that he made it through high school with such a poor technique. Now here he is a sophomore on a Big East team, and he's still shot putting the ball up there.

I don't get it.   

[Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown]

Love the guy who tells others they need to self reflect, maybe take a break from posting, and criticizes one for name calling...then goes on in 1 post to say I: acted like an ass, and a grade school girl.  Double standard ever Mac?

And...never said you were a Vander hater (hypersensitive ever?).  It was a reference to other posters here who called me a Vander hater because I started a thread about Vander being a dick of a teammate..which Mike Kelly seemed to think was the case too.  See how it works Mac - I post something critical of Vander I'm a hater...I support MU through and through and get called a fan boy etc...pretty much a mind f*ck.  Perhaps you can reflect on that...

Dude. Please give it a rest. This is a fan board, and not about you.

[GGGG]

Love the guy who tells others they need to self reflect, maybe take a break from posting, and criticizes one for name calling...then goes on in 1 post to say I: acted like an ass, and a grade school girl.  Double standard ever Mac?

And...never said you were a Vander hater (hypersensitive ever?).  It was a reference to other posters here who called me a Vander hater because I started a thread about Vander being a dick of a teammate..which Mike Kelly seemed to think was the case too.  See how it works Mac - I post something critical of Vander I'm a hater...I support MU through and through and get called a fan boy etc...pretty much a mind f*ck.  Perhaps you can reflect on that...

Did you ever notice that you get into more of "these type" of arguments than anyone else???

[ErickJD08]

Ners,

There are several parts of vander's game that aren't very good and can be critiqued.

You're getting ripped on because you are bringing up high-fives and then extrapolating from there. It's silly. You know that.

Your right. There are several parts of his game that are bad but you can't critique his game here without having your fan hood questioned.

[DomJamesToTheBasket]

This may have been discusssed before, but he looks like he is shooting with stiff legs which means all arms propelling the FT. Awkward looking and ineffective.   Please Vander, bend your legs!

While no one is taught to shoot with stiff legs,  it has its merits.  It is an extra motion that isn't necessary provided you have plenty of strength to get it there with just your arms.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Your right. There are several parts of his game that are bad but you can't critique his game here without having your fan hood questioned.

Nope. Not really.

We talked about this about a month ago.

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=28559.msg329807#msg329807

Nit-picking Blue's every move, or bitching after he has a bad game will start a fight rather than a discussion.

If you want to have a discussion, then discuss the actual pros and cons of his game.

[GGGG]

While no one is taught to shoot with stiff legs,  it has its merits.  It is an extra motion that isn't necessary provided you have plenty of strength to get it there with just your arms.

No you should always use your legs when you shoot free throws.  It mimics the motion of a jump shot and keeps you more consistent when you are tired.

[GGGG]

Your right. There are several parts of his game that are bad but you can't critique his game here without having your fan hood questioned.

I would never question your fanhood.  I will question your understanding of the game of basketball however.

[schubert33]

Vander doesn't get the ball up on his finger tips.  He shoots the ball from his palm.  This is something that is usually corrected once you have enough strength to shoot the ball properly.

He obviously has the strength, I am surprised this hasn't been corrected.

[esotericmindguy]

I would never question your fanhood.  I will question your understanding of the game of basketball however.

Here we go again, sultan and Mac know more about the game than anyone else on the board. Everyone should message them before posting.

[CoachRaymondsClass]

Vander doesn't get the ball up on his finger tips.  He shoots the ball from his palm.  This is something that is usually corrected once you have enough strength to shoot the ball properly.

He obviously has the strength, I am surprised this hasn't been corrected.

Lenny's Tap and Schubert are correct re Vander's major free throw (and probably jumper) flaw is that he shoots the ball out of his palm rather than more through the shooting hand fingers tips. Someone else above described it as a shotput look, which is indeed his technique...which leads to "no touch". My seat gives me a good look at the free throw line and I particularly watched Vander closely yesterday at the line.

I would hazard a guess that Vander (or some coach) took the flex out of his knees to try to limit motion for a consistent FT motion. The +/- of that technique depends which side of the coaching shooting philosophy you are on (similar to golf in advocating no lower body movement on pitches). Vander's major FT problem is the shooting hand not guiding the ball with his finger tips. Unfortunately, I have a feeling that it is a long ingrained bad habit... wonder what his FT % was his JR and Sr years of HS? I bet it wasn't great.

[GGGG]

Here we go again, sultan and Mac know more about the game than anyone else on the board. Everyone should message them before posting.

That's OK.  Unless Mac wants to do this, it's way too much trouble on my end.

[esotericmindguy]

That's OK.  Unless Mac wants to do this, it's way too much trouble on my end.

Really? You spend the better part of your days posting drivel on this board.