Unrealistic fans.....Pittsburgh version exposed by Post Gazette

[ChicosBailBonds]

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07096/775657-194.stm

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

If you're comparing that situation to Marquette's, I don't think it's a good comparison. Afterall, is it unrealistic to expect to score a basket in the first 10 minutes of a basketball game against a team who, by all accounts, we are extremely familiar with?

Besides, I'm not sure anybody was calling for Crean to be replaced. There were a number of us who were simply saying they wouldn't mind if he got another job.

[Marquette84]

If you're comparing that situation to Marquette's, I don't think it's a good comparison. Afterall, is it unrealistic to expect to score a basket in the first 10 minutes of a basketball game against a team who, by all accounts, we are extremely familiar with?

No--no, but it is unrealistic claim you'd happy about losing one of only two coaches to lead a team to the final four in the near-100-year history of Marquette Basketball.

I find it interesting that a self-professed "fan" seems to measure the team he supposedly loves through it's worst performances, as opposed to its best.

I'm glad, however, that you've been able to find a new game to replace that 1/26/05 game you've been bringing up for the last two years.  Not that there have been any good games in between those two dates--nah--you couldn't possibly have seen any of those.

[Niv Berkowitz]

Couple thoughts:

First, it's interesting to see that in Pittsburgh, the same things are happening there as they are here. Fans are up in arms over their coach's inability to win a national championship, despite the fact they are a successful program.

Second, here you have a Pittsburgh article claiming that basketball people feel MU is in the top 1/3 of the big east destination schools. That's interesting and good to hear.

Third, for those who complain about MU's status in the B.East, it sounds that based on this article that Pitt's recruiting has many more obstacles than MU. Especially when you consider the NBA talent that has come from MU under Crean.

And lastly, it shows no matter what success you have, there's always a vocal minority that bitches and moans at everything if a championship isn't won.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

No--no, but it is unrealistic claim you'd happy about losing one of only two coaches to lead a team to the final four in the near-100-year history of Marquette Basketball.

I find it interesting that a self-professed "fan" seems to measure the team he supposedly loves through it's worst performances, as opposed to its best.

Performance has nothing to do with the fact that I'd like to see Crean go. As I've explained, I just don't like the guy.

[mu_hilltopper]

And lastly, it shows no matter what success you have, there's always a vocal minority that bitches and moans at everything if a championship isn't won.

Man, I hate that kind of gross exaggeration, "if a championship isn't won" ...  Come on.   Once you say that kind of stuff, you categorize yourself as a complete homer, and you inaccurately (grossly) discount anyone else's criticism as "extreme expectations".

[bma725]

And lastly, it shows no matter what success you have, there's always a vocal minority that bitches and moans at everything if a championship isn't won.

Much of the bitching and moaning has nothing to do with wins and loses.  Crean could lead MU to undefeated seasons and championships every year for the next 10, and PRN would still bitch about him because he doesn't like him as a person.  Many people out there who complain just don't like the guy regardless of what happens on the court.

[ChicosBailBonds]

And lastly, it shows no matter what success you have, there's always a vocal minority that bitches and moans at everything if a championship isn't won.

Much of the bitching and moaning has nothing to do with wins and loses.  Crean could lead MU to undefeated seasons and championships every year for the next 10, and PRN would still bitch about him because he doesn't like him as a person.  Many people out there who complain just don't like the guy regardless of what happens on the court.

Correct...and as a result they allow their hatred of the man creep into their analysis of basketball thus clouding much of their "reasoning".  It also explains why they are here in droves after losses so they can pile on due to their dislike of the guy, but when we win (much more often than we lose) they are apparently just simmering in the background playing with their Crean voodoo doll.   

[MarquetteVol]

Wow. I feel sad for people that are filled with such dislike, pessimism and negativity that it clouds their opinion on everything. And, this is coming from me...the guy left Southern California because it seemed too happy all the time for him.

[BigSky]

No--no, but it is unrealistic claim you'd happy about losing one of only two coaches to lead a team to the final four in the near-100-year history of Marquette Basketball.

I find it interesting that a self-professed "fan" seems to measure the team he supposedly loves through it's worst performances, as opposed to its best.

Performance has nothing to do with the fact that I'd like to see Crean go. As I've explained, I just don't like the guy.

So you base who you want to coach Marquette or a team you like based on whther or not you publicly like the coach of that team?  lol  That is the funniest thing I have ever heard.  You just said that performance doesn't matter, you just don't like the guy so you would like to see him go simply because you don't like him.  Too funny.  thanks for the laugh. 

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

You just said that performance doesn't matter, you just don't like the guy so you would like to see him go simply because you don't like him.  Too funny.  thanks for the laugh. 

Of course performance matters...I root for Marquette and attend every game I can.

But I don't understand your point. Are you suggesting I should like a guy simply because he's coaching our basketball team? I have tried not to suggest Crean is a bad coach...I don't think he is. And I think it's ridiculous to suggest he be dismissed. Do I think he's great? No. Do I think there is a reason almost every one of our assistants leave every year? Yes. And it's not because of ambition...Crean himself stayed at MSU for 5 years.

[ChicosBailBonds]

No, I think he's saying it's funny you want the guy gone (YOUR WORDS) simply because you don't like the guy.

You don't have to like the guy, you clearly don't.  Is that a reason for wanting him gone when the performance is better than ANYTHING we've had in 30 years?  That is the question.

Nice exaggeration on the assistants by the way....context would be nice.  First, most don't leave every year.  Second, almost universally those that do have been PROMOTED with 2 exceptions.

Crean's tough to work for, but let's not let your personal feelings for him color or exaggerate your claim on the assistant coaches as well.  We've been over this time and again.  Whether it was Wardle, or Stephens, or Buckley or Tod K. or most others...they became HEAD COACHES or moved from 3rd Assistant to 2nd Assistant or from 2nd Assistant to 1st Assistant.

Context...always helpful.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

No--no, but it is unrealistic claim you'd happy about losing one of only two coaches to lead a team to the final four in the near-100-year history of Marquette Basketball.

I find it interesting that a self-professed "fan" seems to measure the team he supposedly loves through it's worst performances, as opposed to its best.

Performance has nothing to do with the fact that I'd like to see Crean go. As I've explained, I just don't like the guy.

Hey, we've had our battles... but I give you credit for being honest here.

I will also completely agree with Chicos that your dislike of Crean clouds your basketball judgement, but I know I'll never  be able to convince you of that... so I guess we will just leave it at that.

Personally, I "like" a lot of coaches better than coach Crean... but I like what Crean has done at MU, and he hasn't done anything major to make him a "dislikable guy". For the most part, he has done an excellent job at MU.