Otule considering options

[RJax55]

Seriously, do you think Cadougan is as good as Taylor, as they say, "Come on Man"!!

Honestly, I rather have Junior. Taylor is a turnover machine. He's average 4.3 turnovers a game and currently has an A/TO rate of 1.09 to 1. For your starting point guard, that's horrible.

Although I think Junior needs to be more aggressive offensively, I'll take his play at the point (A/TO of 2.6 to 1) over Taylor's. In addition, Taylor plays with Thomas Robinson who's simply a beast on the block. Therefore, I'm even more surprised at how low his overall assist numbers are.

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

I've seen Kansas play a couple of times on TV & Tyshawn Taylor is not fit for that position. TO machine, bad shot selection, you name it. I would take any guard on our roster over him. 

[avid1010]

Can someone summarize what Chris currently has left for eligibility and how the different options could play out in regards to eligibility.  Looking at the scholarship table, I'm not sure I'm understanding the options he has...especially pertaining to how many years you're allowed to redshirt, etc.  Thanks in advance.

[GGGG]

Can someone summarize what Chris currently has left for eligibility and how the different options could play out in regards to eligibility.  Looking at the scholarship table, I'm not sure I'm understanding the options he has...especially pertaining to how many years you're allowed to redshirt, etc.  Thanks in advance.

He meets the qualifications for a "medical redshirt" and a sixth season IF he has a season-ending injury.  However, it is not a guaranty that he would be granted one and he cannot even apply until his eligibility has run out. 

[TheButlerDidIt]

I have a question for those of you who have had an ACL injury.

How much does a knee brace support the knee?  Does it give enough support to function close to normal?

I tore my right ACL playing football when I was 14. I was too young to have the surgery. We decided to strengthen and brace it. I tweaked it further in basketball that year and ended up having my meniscus cleaned up.

The knee was fine (still braced) until I was a sophomore in high school. I had someone blocked into the side of my knee and it (and the brace) collapsed. Needless to say, it was then reconstructed.

I tore my left ACL three years ago when I was 29 playing flag football. It's never been braced. I actually feel like I've bounced back quicker and am more confident than I was with the brace.

***OOPS***

I forgot to mention that my second ACL was reconstructed too! Haha, sorry about that. It was never braced though.

[mu03eng]

Some people can absolutely come back without an ACL, but it would require extensive therapy and retraining of the muscles to strengthen them to compensate.  I'm no doctor, but I would be wildly surprised if it is an ACL tear if they went down the no surgery path and I would be even more surprised if Otule could compete well at all especially this year but even next year.

[ringout]

I've seen Kansas play a couple of times on TV & Tyshawn Taylor is not fit for that position. TO machine, bad shot selection, you name it. I would take any guard on our roster over him. 

Tyshawn seems to have regressed, and this is, admittedly, anecdotal.  Data could prove me wrong.

[Lighthouse 84]

I tore my ACL in half in 1988.  Being a weekend athlete at 27, facing either a year of rehab after surgery to repair the ACL or 6 weeks of therapy after surgery just to clean it up, I opted for the therapy and had it cleaned up.  I have to wear a knee brace if I want to play basketball or racquetball and don't have any issues with it.  However, talking to my orthopod now, he said the standard of care is to ALWAYS repair it now v. back then I was given the option.

[Boone]

"Aaron Rodgers played with a partially torn ACL for four years before secretly having reconstructive surgery following his sophomore season at Cal."

Read more at the San Francisco Examiner: http://www.sfexaminer.com/sports/nfl/2011/01/cutler-s-toughness-not-legends#ixzz1gXtv7r6J

Maybe Chris "only" has a partial tear, too.

[BME to MD]

Partial meniscus tear would make sense for evaluating options because some tears can be repaired.  If it is an option, repair would definitely be the best medical choice for Chris because even if it failed they could go ahead and cut out the damaged section anyway.

[syscokid]

I had a torn meniscus and I have a physical job. I was out for only 10 days. If that's what Otule has I would guess he'd be back in 3-4 weeks after the surgery.

[4everwarriors]

"Aaron Rodgers played with a partially torn ACL for four years before secretly having reconstructive surgery following his sophomore season at Cal."

Read more at the San Francisco Examiner: http://www.sfexaminer.com/sports/nfl/2011/01/cutler-s-toughness-not-legends#ixzz1gXtv7r6J

Maybe Chris "only" has a partial tear, too.

Yeah but, can Chris throw the "out" pattern?

[MookieBlaylock]

Many people have played at the highest level of sports with out ACL's

Dejuan Blair doesn't have either ACL and functions perfectly fine.  Elway didn't have an ACL in one of his knees either. 

As for recovery time obviously 6 months has been the benchmark for return to activity but again there have been athletes that were able to recover in 4 months or less.  Bracing it for the time being and having the reconstruction at the end of march isn't out of the question. 

[94Warrior]

I had a torn meniscus and I have a physical job. I was out for only 10 days. If that's what Otule has I would guess he'd be back in 3-4 weeks after the surgery.

Buzz has already anounced Chris has an "ACL injury". 
I'll go with a partial tear of the ACL, as I have no reason not to take Buzz at his word.

[BCHoopster]

Junior is a work in process, hopefully I will be wrong.  When it comes to ball rolling, Self, Williams are at the top.  Tayshon needed coaching, not sure either of them know how
to do that.  Give Brad Stevens, Bo Ryan, even Buzz (not sold yet, but close) Taylor in his senior year and I believe he has the God given talent to be an All-American.  I am sure
even I in my old age good recruit at those schools.  Self and Williams get more All-Americans than Buzz might get in his career.  But the kids Buzz get, seem to come out the better.
More kids should buy into what Buzz has done.  Mathews is the highest paid third year player in the league.  Two years ago did anybody think Jimmy Butler was going to be a first
round NBA player, throw in Lazar and that is three kids that were coached up.  Wisconsin almost beat NC this year.  After watching them last night in person, I can not believe UW can
win at most 1 or 2 games on the road in the Big Ten..  With this talent, Bo will have to do wonders.  Williams would not even know what to do?  Beat the Badgers by 3 with, what 7 or 8
Mcdonalds All-Americans, now that is coaching.  Gets creamed by Vegas.  Taylor made a big mistake.  He has the talent to be a pro, but I agree I am not sure he will be one.  Natural
talent vs. Cadougans talent, not even close.

[dwaderoy2004]

Except wasn't cadougan ranked higher coming out of high school?  I know it was different classes, but i think taylor was in the 90's while cadougan was in the 60's.  Unless you're just trying to say that taylor is more athletic than junior.

[BCHoopster]

That is what I am saying.  Quicker, faster, better athlete!

[🏀]

Except wasn't cadougan ranked higher coming out of high school?  I know it was different classes, but i think taylor was in the 90's while cadougan was in the 60's.  Unless you're just trying to say that taylor is more athletic than junior.

Rivals had TT at 77 and JC at 74...

[dwaderoy2004]

Gotcha.  Scout had Taylor at 83 and Cadougan at 54, so i wasn't too far off.

[dwaderoy2004]

That is what I am saying.  Quicker, faster, better athlete!

OK.  I would say that natural talent and natural athleticism are two different things, but we'd just be arguing semantics at that point.  I understand your point.

[Golden Avalanche]

Tyshawn seems to have regressed, and this is, admittedly, anecdotal.  Data could prove me wrong.

Taylor went for 9 points, 13 assists, 7 turnovers playing on a torn MCL in the win over Ohio State.

It's easy to see why opinion is so divided on his impact.

[BCHoopster]

Taylor went for 9 points, 13 assists, 7 turnovers playing on a torn MCL in the win over Ohio State.

It's easy to see why opinion is so divided on his impact.

Again, it shows the inability of Bill Self to coach.  Either Taylor should be benched with 7 turnovers but they really do not have a back up point guard this
year so they are in a bad situation.  Do you really think Buzz or Bo would stand for that?  13 assists just shows you what this kid can do, has a nice stroke
as well, and great hops, just needed to be coached up, Bill Self no chance.  I really believe this kid made a mistake on the school he picked. 

[MUMac]

Taylor went for 9 points, 13 assists, 7 turnovers playing on a torn MCL in the win over Ohio State.

It's easy to see why opinion is so divided on his impact.

To me, I wanted Taylor to be here.  Did not like how it all shook down, but I don't fault the kid at all.  But, since he is not here, I do not pay any attention to he or his play.  Watched him a couple of times, but happy with who we have, because they want to be here.  Other than what I read on this board, he is completely out of sight to me.  That same applied to Mbakwe and others that left. 

[BCHoopster]

To me, I wanted Taylor to be here.  Did not like how it all shook down, but I don't fault the kid at all.  But, since he is not here, I do not pay any attention to he or his play.  Watched him a couple of times, but happy with who we have, because they want to be here.  Other than what I read on this board, he is completely out of sight to me.  That same applied to Mbakwe and others that left. 

Something to discuss on a slow period!

[Lennys Tap]

Again, it shows the inability of Bill Self to coach.  Either Taylor should be benched with 7 turnovers but they really do not have a back up point guard this
year so they are in a bad situation.  Do you really think Buzz or Bo would stand for that?  13 assists just shows you what this kid can do, has a nice stroke
as well, and great hops, just needed to be coached up, Bill Self no chance.  I really believe this kid made a mistake on the school he picked. 

Taylor's ranking out of high school is somewhat deceptive - he charged from outside the top 100 his senior year. He (and his high school coach) became enamored with the opportunity to play at his "dream school" and Buzz was an unknown.

Things have changed. Buzz has put 2 guys (3 if you count Wesley) into the NBA who weren't wanted by the KU's or UNC's of the world. Anybody really think Lazar or JFB see the NBA (or even much court time) if they somehow ended up in Lawrence or Chapel Hill?