Otule considering options

[lessthannick11]

From other board and MU show last night,
Buzz On Chris:
Waiting for the swelling in his knee to subside and trying to increase the strength back to the level that it was and then hopefully a week or two after Christmas be able to make a decision to determine where he is at and if he can play the rest of the year or what we need to do at that point. Both Chris and Juan are in rehab twice a day.


"waiting for the swelling to subside...will decide at that time...

It would be great to have him back...for BE...but if he plays and needs surgery next yr...he will miss all of next yr..."

[BCHoopster]

This is interesting if he needs another medical redshirt.  Buzz likes to recruit hard and he will have no scholarships left for 2013 if Chris gets his 6th year.
I am sure he will oversign, needs a point guard.  I do see Vander playing more in that position going forward.

[muhoops1]

I believe this exonerates Dr. Dunkenstein who has been attacked repeatedly on this board by "new" posters.  DD has not claimed any insider knowledge, but felt that commonsense would dictate in this situation that MU didn't have a definitive diagnosis on CO's knee due to swelling.

This board has become a vehicle for people to attack any and all with little or no recourse.

[Skatastrophy]

I believe this exonerates Dr. Dunkenstein who has been attacked repeatedly on this board by "new" posters.  DD has not claimed any insider knowledge, but felt that commonsense would dictate in this situation that MU didn't have a definitive diagnosis on CO's knee due to swelling.

This board has become a vehicle for people to attack any and all with little or no recourse.

I think everyone agreed that there was no diagnosis yet because the swelling hadn't subsided.  Taking 1 or 2 poster's opinions and label the entire board makes you one of the people using muscoop to "attack any and all with little or no recourse."

[downtown85]

I believe this exonerates Dr. Dunkenstein who has been attacked repeatedly on this board by "new" posters.  DD has not claimed any insider knowledge, but felt that commonsense would dictate in this situation that MU didn't have a definitive diagnosis on CO's knee due to swelling.

This board has become a vehicle for people to attack any and all with little or no recourse.

Including those who take the comments of a few and attack the entire board! 

[MUCam]

This board has become a vehicle for people to attack any and all with little or no recourse.

If I could drive this board to work, I would.

A-holes.

[Canadian Dimes]

This is interesting if he needs another medical redshirt.  Buzz likes to recruit hard and he will have no scholarships left for 2013 if Chris gets his 6th year.
I am sure he will oversign, needs a point guard.  I do see Vander playing more in that position going forward.

I am wiling to make a very sizeable wager that Buzz does not sign a PG with the 2013 scholarship if it is available.  The way our roster sits we dont need one.  Heck Vnader has been our best point season to date.  Staff has on numerous occasions said they want to fill the spot with a shooter...see kendrick Nunn.

[Canadian Dimes]

From other board and MU show last night,
Buzz On Chris:
Waiting for the swelling in his knee to subside and trying to increase the strength back to the level that it was and then hopefully a week or two after Christmas be able to make a decision to determine where he is at and if he can play the rest of the year or what we need to do at that point. Both Chris and Juan are in rehab twice a day.


"waiting for the swelling to subside...will decide at that time...

It would be great to have him back...for BE...but if he plays and needs surgery next yr...he will miss all of next yr..."

disagree the recover time on ACLs has been shortened over the years ... he could have surgery after the year and still be back

[GGGG]

If he has surgery in March, he would likely be ready by boot camp.  If not, he could be ready by the time BE season rolls around for sure.

[MUMac]

disagree the recover time on ACLs has been shortened over the years ... he could have surgery after the year and still be back

It is amazing to me how much medicine progresses.  It was not that long ago (o k, to some it was long ago) that the two injuries which were career threatening, if not ending, were a torn ACL and Tommy John surgery.  Now, it is not just they can return, but how quickly they can return.

[Henry Sugar]

I believe this exonerates Dr. Dunkenstein who has been attacked repeatedly on this board by "new" posters.  DD has not claimed any insider knowledge, but felt that commonsense would dictate in this situation that MU didn't have a definitive diagnosis on CO's knee due to swelling.

This board has become a vehicle for people to attack any and all with little or no recourse.

I did not recall the attacks on Dr. Dunkenstein, so I went to go look at his body of work.  All fifteen posts.  He had two posts on the subject of Otule.  There was one very aggressive response in that thread from someone that has one post, but I cannot conclude it was a direct response to Dunkenstein (post hoc fallacy).  In fact, I can find zero direct attacks from this subject.  Furthermore, I fail to see where Dr. Dunkenstein has provided any significant contributions to the topic, other than his entirely valid and reasonable opinion.

You have taken something that did not happen and used it to provide a broad indictment of an entire group.  

[BCHoopster]

I am wiling to make a very sizeable wager that Buzz does not sign a PG with the 2013 scholarship if it is available.  The way our roster sits we dont need one.  Heck Vnader has been our best point season to date.  Staff has on numerous occasions said they want to fill the spot with a shooter...see kendrick Nunn.

Point guard is the most important position in college.  How good would MU be with Tayshon Taylor right now?  Derrick Wilson has shown zero offensive ability right now,
secondly Deonte Burton is a slasher, two guard.  Not even sure where Jamel Ferguson plays but at 6'4" I would assume he is a two guard as well.  The last schooly will
go to a pt. or a big.

[dwaderoy2004]

It is amazing to me how much medicine progresses.  It was not that long ago (o k, to some it was long ago) that the two injuries which were career threatening, if not ending, were a torn ACL and Tommy John surgery.  Now, it is not just they can return, but how quickly they can return.

And in the case of Tommy John, some come back better.  Something like half of the pitchers in the all star game last year had tommy john surgery at some point.

[mu03eng]

If he has surgery in March, he would likely be ready by boot camp.  If not, he could be ready by the time BE season rolls around for sure.

He may be physically cleared to play but he will not be ready to play at a high level if the surgery is in March(hopefully April if you know what I'm sayin'   ).  If he has an autograft typically they are cleared to return to full activity 6-7 months after the injury.  However, most research indicates it is a full year before they are performing at peak performance.  There is a lot of psychological(confidence in the knee) activities that go on, plus you can't even get into cutting and pivoting for at least 4 months after the surgery so even if its mid-March surgery he isn't STARTING to pivot and cut until mid-July.  Additionally, if he does go autograft he won't gain full range of motion for at least a month, maybe two after the surgery so his fitness will have deteriorated significantly.

So the bottom line is, yes he would be physically cleared to play, but what kind of season would he actually have?  I think the choice is he plays this year at the expense of next year or he plays at full strength next year.  

[RawdogDX]

I did not recall the attacks on Dr. Dunkenstein, so I went to go look at his body of work.  All fifteen posts.  He had two posts on the subject of Otule.  There was one very aggressive response in that thread from someone that has one post, but I cannot conclude it was a direct response to Dunkenstein (post hoc fallacy).  In fact, I can find zero direct attacks from this subject.  Furthermore, I fail to see where Dr. Dunkenstein has provided any significant contributions to the topic, other than his entirely valid and reasonable opinion.

You have taken something that did not happen and used it to provide a broad indictment of an entire group.  

Just like HITLER!!!

[MUMac]

Point guard is the most important position in college.  How good would MU be with Tayshon Taylor right now?  Derrick Wilson has shown zero offensive ability right now,
secondly Deonte Burton is a slasher, two guard.  Not even sure where Jamel Ferguson plays but at 6'4" I would assume he is a two guard as well.  The last schooly will
go to a pt. or a big.

You are forgetting T J Taylor - a combo guard.

[GGGG]

I think Buzz clearly is looking for a PG in 2013.  Duane Wilson is someone that the coaching staff seems to be eyeing up regularly in the last couple months.  Buzz was watching Dominican last night.

You are forgetting T J Taylor - a combo guard.

But again, that's not how Buzz seems to see him based on his comments.

[TallTitan34]

I have a question for those of you who have had an ACL injury.

How much does a knee brace support the knee?  Does it give enough support to function close to normal?

[GGGG]

I have a question for those of you who have had an ACL injury.

How much does a knee brace support the knee?  Does it give enough support to function close to normal?

I have a friend that tore his ACL a couple years ago but has not had the surgery.  With rehab, he is able to do pretty much everything without a brace.  He wears a brace to play bball and golf.  He knows that one slip or wrong move could cause more damage though.

[mu03eng]

I have a question for those of you who have had an ACL injury.

How much does a knee brace support the knee?  Does it give enough support to function close to normal?

No the knee brace won't give it enough stability to play D1 sports.  If fact a fair number of surgeons don't even give players braces anymore.  Plus the brace would limit his lateral movement so it would be a question of how effective would he be.  This is all predicated on it being a complete tear of the ACL.  We're talking a much less difficult issue if its something like a meniscus tear.

I would actually at this point lean towards a meniscus tear.  If they are waiting to make a decision its not a complete ACL tear and they'd know that by now.  And with a meniscus you can surgically remove the bad part and be back in a month or so, or you can try and rehab and get back sooner, but not be as effective

[tower912]

Point guard is the most important position in college.  How good would MU be with Tayshon Taylor right now?  Derrick Wilson has shown zero offensive ability right now,
secondly Deonte Burton is a slasher, two guard.  Not even sure where Jamel Ferguson plays but at 6'4" I would assume he is a two guard as well.  The last schooly will
go to a pt. or a big.

TTaylor is having (or has just had ) knee surgery, too, so it is unlikely we would be better than undefeated at the moment. 

[BCHoopster]

TTaylor is having (or has just had ) knee surgery, too, so it is unlikely we would be better than undefeated at the moment. 

Seriously, do you think Cadougan is as good as Taylor, as they say, "Come on Man"!!

[GGGG]

Seriously, do you think Cadougan is as good as Taylor, as they say, "Come on Man"!!

Reading.  Is.  Fundamental.

[LON]

Point guard is the most important position in college.  How good would MU be with Tayshon Taylor right now?  Derrick Wilson has shown zero offensive ability right now,
secondly Deonte Burton is a slasher, two guard.  Not even sure where Jamel Ferguson plays but at 6'4" I would assume he is a two guard as well.  The last schooly will
go to a pt. or a big.

We know for a fact he wouldn't have been in a fight with MU's football team if he came here.

[Silkk the Shaka]

We know for a fact he wouldn't have been in a fight with MU's football team if he came here.

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