Ryan Braun Tests Positive for PEDs

[dwaderoy2004]

But if only 10% was remaining weeks later, the ratio may still be above 1:1 but not above the 4:1 threshold.  Maybe this is why Braun's second test is being labeled by his people as non-positive (maybe a ratio of 3:1) instead of negative (1:1).

[Benny B]

But if only 10% was remaining weeks later, the ratio may still be above 1:1 but not above the 4:1 threshold.  Maybe this is why Braun's second test is being labeled by his people as non-positive (maybe a ratio of 3:1) instead of negative (1:1).

I don't think the second test has anything to do with ratios... I think the second test was to show that either i) he had no synthetic testosterone in his system or ii) his ratios are naturally above 4:1.  I suppose the argument in the former would be that if the initial positive test for synthetic testosterone was accurate, then some level -- even perhaps a trace level -- of synthetic testosterone would have to remain in his system two weeks later.

[dwaderoy2004]

Perhaps.  Again, with the lack of details, it's mostly speculative.  Just playing devil's advocate.

[RawdogDX]

You're quoting a study that looked at T:E ratios in response to "one particular drug".  I have not seen the study, but the brief description you gave indicates that the "drug" caused T levels to increase but as the "drug" metabolized, the T levels went back to normal.  The difference between this and Ryan Braun is that this study you quote was measuring natural testosterone.  What was supposedly found in Braun's test was synthetic testosterone, which is not as readily metabolized by the body.  What I heard on WTMJ yesterday afternoon is that 10% of synthetic testosterone can remain in the system two weeks after IV injection.

I don't think Braun is innocent, but if you're going to trash a guy, at least quote the relevant facts/studies.

That quote came from an article on SI.com about braun.  If he got the injection 4 days before the test and took the 2nd test 12 days later; your facts would be irrelevant.

[robmufan]

I thought the second test didn't show as elevated of testosterone levels, but it still in-fact showed there were traces of synthetic testosterone in his system?

[MUMac]

I thought the second test didn't show as elevated of testosterone levels, but it still in-fact showed there were traces of synthetic testosterone in his system?

I have seen articles all over the board on this.  That is why I stated that the facts need to come out before a determination is made.  I admit, I do not see this working out well for Braun, but I have not seen any of the facts.

This was released through back channels.  MLB has not relesed anything publicly.  The Braun camp has not released any specifics.  He is due his day in court, so to speak.  Until then, I will treat information that comes from unnamed sources with skepticism.

[Henry Sugar]

I hope this is true. 

http://hirejimessian.com/2011/12/13/more-braun-than-brains/

[MerrittsMustache]

I hope this is true.  

http://hirejimessian.com/2011/12/13/more-braun-than-brains/

As hilarious as some might find that to be, I can't imagine Braun would be the first MLBer to be taking STD meds.

A co-worker of mine heard that Braun was taking meds because he couldn't "raise the sail" (to use her term). This, of course, begs the questions: Would you rather be the MVP on PEDs or the MVP with ED?

[robmufan]

If he is taking anything however, I would have to believe even meds, and a PED isn't listed or something that raises his level...it is my understanding that he is still in trouble

[dwaderoy2004]

You can take anything as long as it is for medical reasons, even steroids.  You just have to clear it with MLB BEFORE you start using it.  Even showing that you had a prescription for it won't clear you after the fact.

[copious1218]

As hilarious as some might find that to be, I can't imagine Braun would be the first MLBer to be taking STD meds.

A co-worker of mine heard that Braun was taking meds because he couldn't "raise the sail" (to use her term). This, of course, begs the questions: Would you rather be the MVP on PEDs or the MVP with ED?

Is there a link between PED use and ED?  Maybe he's both.

[Benny B]

You can take anything as long as it is for medical reasons, even steroids.  You just have to clear it with MLB BEFORE you start using it.  Even showing that you had a prescription for it won't clear you after the fact.

This goes back to one of my theories... is it possible that WADA and MLB don't know what drug or substance it is that they're dealing with?  I would assume that Valtrex or the like isn't exactly an unknown in the world of pro athletes, but maybe it's a lesser known or experimental drug whose active ingredient looks a lot like testosterone in a chromotography scan.  I don't know.

[JD]

I know for a fact that Brauny goes to Walgreens on Brady street in milwaukee, and yes he does have herpes, or is at least taking that medication.  One of my friends works in the pharmacy.  I've known this for months, I actually went to Walgreens to get his autograph from this info i knew.

Shhhhhh.

[MUMac]

I hope this is true. 

http://hirejimessian.com/2011/12/13/more-braun-than-brains/

If this is true, or anything similar, MLB may have some concerns.  Some one at MLB or associated with it leaked the story. Before Braun had his arbitration.  Now, if it is something like this, MLB may have some legal troubles with the leak(s).  If it is a medical condition and a prescribed drug, I wonder how HIPPA might come into play.

This gets more interesting (or is it bizarre?) with each subsequent report.  And we still have not heard anything official or factual from either side (limited from Braun's side, nothing from MLB).

[Benny B]

If this is true, or anything similar, MLB may have some concerns.  Some one at MLB or associated with it leaked the story. Before Braun had his arbitration.  Now, if it is something like this, MLB may have some legal troubles with the leak(s).  If it is a medical condition and a prescribed drug, I wonder how HIPPA might come into play.

This gets more interesting (or is it bizarre?) with each subsequent report.  And we still have not heard anything official or factual from either side (limited from Braun's side, nothing from MLB).

I am 99.9999% positive that the leak came from WADA, not MLB.  MLB has nothing to gain by leaking a story that tarnishes the reputation of its MVP.  WADA on the other hand employs a bunch of unknowns who would pee their pants if OTL offered CDN$10,000 to give them some juicy (pun intended) info.

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http://tracking.si.com/2011/12/19/report-ryan-brauns-positive-drug-test-triggered-by-medication/

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On another note...

Anyone hear that this STD may not be herpes, but maybe the one that starts with H and ends in V?

[MU B2002]

On another note...

Anyone hear that this STD may not be herpes, but maybe the one that starts with H and ends in V?

hpv?

[Hards Alumni]

hpv?

HIV

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hpv?

Gotta vaccinate.

[MU B2002]

HIV

I figured, but thought that would be the obvious answer and HPV seems to be dominating the news moreso than HIV these days.

[TallTitan34]

I've heard rumblings, but even as a Braun hater I can't imagine this is the case.

[🏀]

I figured, but thought that would be the obvious answer and HPV seems to be dominating the news moreso than HIV these days.

I didn't think of HPV, so I thought it was funny.

[chapman]

If it's herpes I wonder if someone can find the link between Derek Jeter and Braun.  It's got to exist.

[MUBurrow]

The thing with the herpes rumors that never made sense was that I always thought herpes medication consisted primarily of antivirals. Looking up valtrex from the commercials (which is also used for shingles) it makes no reference to jacking up testosterone levels.  Any medically inclined folks out there that could clear some of that up? It just has seemed like an explanation thats lacking.