Author Topic: Ryan Braun Tests Positive for PEDs (Read 20800 times)

BrewCity83 · « **Reply #125 on:** December 21, 2011, 05:08:16 PM »

Quote from: MU B2002 on December 21, 2011, 04:44:59 PM

Don't think it was herpes, Ron Mexico never failed a drug test.

Or did he have a waiver from the league and thus no "failed drug test" was announced?

Funky Cold Medina · « **Reply #126 on:** February 23, 2012, 04:17:29 PM »

BOOYEAH! Braun wins appeal!

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/140213003.html

dwaderoy2004 · « **Reply #127 on:** February 23, 2012, 04:19:10 PM »

apparently on a technicality...

TallTitan34 · « **Reply #128 on:** February 23, 2012, 04:19:38 PM »

Complete joke.

Allows a player to have 4 times the normal levels of testosterone.

They set a dangerous precedent today.

BrewCity83 · « **Reply #129 on:** February 23, 2012, 04:25:16 PM »

Just wait until the whole story comes out. Then you can declare whether it's a complete joke or not. I think all of you who declare this a complete joke without knowing what really happened are a complete joke.

dwaderoy2004 · « **Reply #130 on:** February 23, 2012, 04:26:49 PM »

I guess. The article says he got off on some kind of technicality. Certainly sounds a little BS to me.

TallTitan34 · « **Reply #131 on:** February 23, 2012, 04:35:25 PM »

MLB released a statement where they "strongly disagree" with the third party's decision to overturn it.

robmufan · « **Reply #132 on:** February 23, 2012, 04:37:58 PM »

It is all Union BS!

dwaderoy2004 · « **Reply #133 on:** February 23, 2012, 04:38:29 PM »

They actually "vehemently disagree".

Warriors10 · « **Reply #134 on:** February 23, 2012, 04:44:42 PM »

Quote from: TallTitan34 on February 23, 2012, 04:19:38 PM

They set a dangerous precedent today.

No such thing as precedent in arbitration cases.

BrewCity83 · « **Reply #135 on:** February 23, 2012, 04:45:29 PM »

Quote from: dwaderoy2004 on February 23, 2012, 04:38:29 PM

They actually "vehemently disagree".

Of course they do...they lost their case.

cheebs09 · « **Reply #136 on:** February 23, 2012, 04:46:00 PM »

According to national writers on twitter, the defense centered around the chain of custody being broken for 2 days and left unprotected. With the rumor that there were two other Brewers who had very high levels, but were thrown out, it could be fairly reasonable to assume someone tampered with it.

TallTitan34 · « **Reply #137 on:** February 23, 2012, 04:58:21 PM »

Quote from: BrewCity BallCrusher on February 23, 2012, 04:45:29 PM

Of course they do...they lost their case.

They disagree because it makes the steroid testing process a complete joke.

Benny B · « **Reply #138 on:** February 23, 2012, 05:00:16 PM »

Quote from: Benny B on December 12, 2011, 12:58:20 PM

Given a) the money involved with pro sports contracts, b) the litigious nature of our society, and c) the willingness in sports to cave on any matter of principal so long as you're compensated --- if just one test can be overturned on a technicality - be that a technicality in due process or the in the testing process itself - every athlete's agent will attempt to use that result as precedent as to why their client's test was inaccurate/questionable/invalid/etc in the future, and honestly, I don't think MLB has the resources or desire to defend its policy against a bombardment of test appeals, even if the appeals have no merit whatsoever. I hate making slippery slope arguments, but there's significant value to the WADA and MLB in the deterrent that 0 for 12 on appeals has on those contemplating an appeal. Unless one player is greater than the MLB drug-testing policy, Braun is going to be the sacrificial lamb if he has any level of culpability whatsoever.

The only way Braun and MLB can come out unscathed is if there was deliberate misconduct or fraud by the WADA and some scientist in Montreal goes to jail.

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From ESPN.com:

"It has always been Major League Baseball's position that no matter who tests positive, we will exhaust all avenues in pursuit of the appropriate discipline. We have been true to that position in every instance, because baseball fans deserve nothing less," Manfred said. "As a part of our drug testing program, the commissioner's office and the players' association agreed to a neutral third party review for instances that are under dispute. While we have always respected that process, Major League Baseball vehemently disagrees with the decision rendered today by arbitrator Shyam Das."
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As I predicted (although not by the exact method), MLB is throwing Braun under the bus to cover its own ass. "Ass" being their sham drug testing policy.

I'm happy for Braun. But I'm pissed at MLB... and Congress needs to be recalling Bud Selig for testimony because MLB has represented that they have this cutting-edge drug testing policy. If anybody is under the illusion that MLB has this "tough on PED" policy, I have some beachfront property in the Yukon I'd like to sell you.

TallTitan34 · « **Reply #139 on:** February 23, 2012, 05:10:12 PM »

Quote from: Warriors10 on February 23, 2012, 04:44:42 PM

No such thing as precedent in arbitration cases.

How can you say it doesn't set a precedent? If you test positive, find a technicality and you are free.

Benny B · « **Reply #140 on:** February 23, 2012, 05:15:48 PM »

Quote from: TallTitan34 on February 23, 2012, 05:10:12 PM

How can you say it doesn't set a precedent? If you test positive, find a technicality and you are free.

Agreed.... the worldwide leader is already speculating that past tests could be re-opened. Pandora's box is full of worms.... this could get quite nasty for MLB.

MUONTOP · « **Reply #141 on:** February 23, 2012, 07:21:33 PM »

Quote from: Benny B on February 23, 2012, 05:15:48 PM

Agreed.... the worldwide leader is already speculating that past tests could be re-opened. Pandora's box is full of worms.... this could get quite nasty for MLB.

Right, because an arbitration system with a 0% chance of success on appeal is a much better policy Science isn't perfect and mistakes can be made. Everyone already has the same chance to appeal, this changes nothing and sets no precedent other than proving the system works.

dwaderoy2004 · « **Reply #142 on:** February 23, 2012, 08:54:09 PM »

This isn't science.

4everwarriors · « **Reply #143 on:** February 23, 2012, 08:57:15 PM »

Quote from: Benny B on February 23, 2012, 05:15:48 PM

Agreed.... the worldwide leader is already speculating that past tests could be re-opened. Pandora's box is full of worms.... this could get quite nasty for MLB.

Does Pandora have a STD?

NavinRJohnson · « **Reply #144 on:** February 24, 2012, 12:16:00 AM »

Quote from: TallTitan34 on February 23, 2012, 04:58:21 PM

They disagree because it makes the steroid testing process a complete joke.

The same process they agreed to, and are now doing all they can to undermine? When Sosa and mcGuire were making everyone rich they turned a blind eye. Now that they have an agreed upon process in place they can't criticize it enough. Embarrassing.

wadesworld · « **Reply #145 on:** February 24, 2012, 12:45:55 AM »

http://danny-knobler.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/8590096/34964084

DJO's Pump Fake · « **Reply #146 on:** February 24, 2012, 07:09:42 AM »

Love that article!

dwaderoy2004 · « **Reply #147 on:** February 24, 2012, 07:28:17 AM »

I love the part where it says we don't know if braun is clean.

MUMac · « **Reply #148 on:** February 24, 2012, 07:36:01 AM »

Quote from: dwaderoy2004 on February 24, 2012, 07:28:17 AM

I love the part where it says we don't know if braun is clean.

We don't know if he is dirty, either. You and others have jumped on that. I think there are irregularities here that MLB needs to explain. They are the ones so critical. I guess if they botched the control and handling procedures, they WOULD want to focus the light somewhere else.

dwaderoy2004 · « **Reply #149 on:** February 24, 2012, 07:45:01 AM »

Except they didn't. You trust a courier with a package. They knew where the package was the entire time. If you trust a courier for two hours, why is he suddenly not trustworthy for 48. The testing facility received the samples completely sealed and showing no signs of tampering or degradation. There has to be more to the story, because based on what we know so far, it doesn't make sense.

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Author Topic: Ryan Braun Tests Positive for PEDs (Read 20800 times)