[Enlund's Blog] ACL injury for Otule

[Skatastrophy]

That is horrible news.  I hope he has a good surgery, excellent rehabilitation, and comes back strong at some point for the begining of next season.  For myself, I think the dead give away was that it didn't really involve contact and that he fell with both hands to the knee.  I think ACL injury whenever a athlete falls in this manner and immediately brings both hands to the knee.  Tough one.

Is it too late to have a medical redshirt year or to retrieve an additional year of eligibility?

Who said anything about surgery?

[MUMac]

Hasn't he already used a medical redshirt?  You can't be given too many of those can you?

There is precedent for the NCAA granting more than 5 years.  As to the first question, I am not sure whether it was a true redshirt or medical waiver.  Did he play at all that season?  I thought the injury was preseason.   

[Skatastrophy]

There is precedent for the NCAA granting more than 5 years.  As to the first question, I am not sure whether it was a true redshirt or medical waiver.  Did he play at all that season?  I thought the injury was preseason.   

http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/chris_otule

His Freshman year he was out the first 10 games and then came back to play in a few.

His Sophomore year he played in a few early season games and set out the rest of the season.  I think he took his redshirt this year, because I remember discussion about "how many games can you play and still be granted a medical RS?"  I can't be sure though.

[🏀]

The NCAA can grant another medical hardship waiver, not the easiest to get though.

[Lighthouse 84]

But the reporter actually reported a fact...now you actually *know* something.

There are a lot of invariables I deal with everyday, putting what I've learned in conjunction with what is probable I have a feeling the majority of the people knew what type of injury we're dealing with.

When Bears running back, Matt Forte, went down a couple of weeks ago, some speculated ACL, without knowing more.  Turns out it was an MCL sprain, back in 2-6 weeks.  So to say you "knew" CO's injury was an ACL, without either seeing an MRI or getting actual news, as Tom Enlund reported, is purely speculative sportsfans.  

Must be nice to be in a line of work that allows you to deal with "invariables" everyday.  You want a real challenge?  Try working with "variables".  Oh, and watch the run-on sentences.

[MUMac]

http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/chris_otule

His Freshman year he was out the first 10 games and then came back to play in a few.

His Sophomore year he played in a few early season games and set out the rest of the season.  I think he took his redshirt this year, because I remember discussion about "how many games can you play and still be granted a medical RS?"  I can't be sure though.

Thanks.  I was rally trying to recall the Sophomore year.  It would have been the Sophomore year that he had the medical waiver.  

[NickelDimer]

I'm certainly not a doctor, but I've not heard of an "ACL" injury not mean season ending in the context of sports.  Hope like hell I'm wrong.

[JMcSteal]

If Otule is out for the season, (not saying he is just asking) are there any examples of players getting 2 medical redshirts?

[79Warrior]

we're a deep team. we got the players and the talent to step up while otule is out.

Deep, yes. Regardless, his size is almost impossible to replace. The huskies killed us on the boards.

[GGGG]

http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/chris_otule

His Freshman year he was out the first 10 games and then came back to play in a few.

His Sophomore year he played in a few early season games and set out the rest of the season.  I think he took his redshirt this year, because I remember discussion about "how many games can you play and still be granted a medical RS?"  I can't be sure though.

If Otule is out for the season, (not saying he is just asking) are there any examples of players getting 2 medical redshirts?

He can get another season of eligibility.  If the NCAA grants such a waiver, Otule could get unlimited medical waivers.  There have been a couple of occasions of a "sixth year," but I am not sure if we are talking about players who have been injured in games or simply practices.

He would be eligible given that he was hurt in the first half of the year, appeared in less than 30% of his teams games for the season, and suffered a season-ending injury.  (Which may not be the case I know.)

There has been no talk (for instance) of Robbie Hummell getting a sixth year...but my understanding is that he cannot apply until his eligibility has been used up.  Which kind of makes it difficult recruiting wise.  So CO wouldn't even be able to apply until Spring 2013 if I understand the rule right.

[Bieberhole69]

If Otule is out for the season, (not saying he is just asking) are there any examples of players getting 2 medical redshirts?

I think the legendary Evan Eschmeyer got a couple at Northwestern

[mileskishnish72]

ACL "strains" are pretty much a myth. The vast majority of ACL injuries will not return to this level of play without reconstruction/rehabilitation. My bet is this year is shot. Good luck to the kid, he's worked his ass off.

[GGGG]

I think the legendary Evan Eschmeyer got a couple at Northwestern

I think that was a little different because he was injured for his first two seasons and never made an appearance.

[foreverwarriors]

At least according to this article on Case Keenum, you can get 2 years of medical redshirts. do different rules apply to fb and bb?

"NCAA rules specify that to grant a sixth year, an athlete has to have lost two seasons for reasons out of the control of him/her.

http://www.chron.com/sports/college-football/article/UH-s-Case-Keenum-wins-NCAA-appeal-can-play-in-1684230.php

[JD]

Must be nice to be in a line of work that allows you to deal with "invariables" everyday.  You want a real challenge?  Try working with "variables".  Oh, and watch the run-on sentences.

Small medium and large doesn't necessarily mean you work with variables excuse my punctuation or lack of.

[Bieberhole69]

I think that was a little different because he was injured for his first two seasons and never made an appearance.

Yeah i'm not sure what the extent of his injuries was, but if you are in fact correct your Eshmeyer knowledge is impressive

[Lighthouse 84]

Given the doctors, trainers and therapists MU employs, and the success they've had getting players back on the court ahead of schedule (see DJ and Jr.), I'm hoping CO is back sooner rather than later.  But without knowing more, it's impossible to guess if Chris can come back at all this year without jeopardizing next year.

[UticaBusBarn]

All this is speculation, or nervous energy - probably both. Regardless, the kid is sadly out for goodness knows how long ... for the third time in his young career. We should respect all he has done in three years, and support him as he addresses this (yet to defined) injury.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the ever improving Coach Williams is going to have to make an early course correction. This writer has faith that CO will over-come whatever he has to over-come, that the Warrior team will draw even tighter in facing adversity, and that Mr. Williams will make smart adjustments going forward.

[leever]

Must be nice to be in a line of work that allows you to deal with "invariables" everyday.  You want a real challenge?  Try working with "variables".  Oh, and watch the run-on sentences.

Small medium and large doesn't necessarily mean you work with variables excuse my punctuation or lack of.

"I think everyone should go to college and get a degree and then spend six months as a bartender and six months as a cabdriver. Then they would really be educated."


So, are you currently on the 6 months as a bartender or the 6 months as a cabdriver?

[Golden Avalanche]

Was pretty clear at the time it would be a ligament issue, whether ACL or MCL. This update just confirms it wasn't an awkward hyper-extension or the like.

All that matters is the timetable expected but looking into Otule's eyes on Tuesday night, it didn't look positive.

[GGGG]

At least according to this article on Case Keenum, you can get 2 years of medical redshirts. do different rules apply to fb and bb?

"NCAA rules specify that to grant a sixth year, an athlete has to have lost two seasons for reasons out of the control of him/her.

http://www.chron.com/sports/college-football/article/UH-s-Case-Keenum-wins-NCAA-appeal-can-play-in-1684230.php

No, that is the exact same situation.  Notice the date of the article?  January 14, 2011.  After his eligibility had been used up.  

So this would mean that CO wouldn't know if he gets another year until April 2013.  Would Buzz keep a scholarship open for him?  That means we actually have no more room for 2013-14.

[Lighthouse 84]

"I think everyone should go to college and get a degree and then spend six months as a bartender and six months as a cabdriver. Then they would really be educated."


So, are you currently on the 6 months as a bartender or the 6 months as a cabdriver?

Actually, his signature is an Al McGuire quote.  In this case though, I'm pretty sure JDuquaine is living the dream.

[Bocephys]

Actually, his signature is an Al McGuire quote.  In this case though, I'm pretty sure JDuquaine is living the dream.

JDuquaine is Steve "The Homer" True?

[lab_warrior]

DAMN IT.

No, this:

http://www.youtube.com/v/XhI0OVs_zj0&fs=1&source=uds

[MU82]

I didn't want to say anything in the 2 days since the game because I didn't want to speculate -- and I still don't want to speculate -- but I didn't really subscribe to the "no news is good news" thing.

In this Twatter age, I figured that if it really was nothing big, Chris himself would have quickly twatted as much. The longer we went without hearing anything, the more I figured it was more than a mild injury that would keep him out for only a game or three.

We still don't know how bad it is, but I'm not super positive that good news is right around the bend.

Hey, if it turns out to be less serious, I'll be pleasantly surprised!