Potential Transfer?

[ErickJD08]

And even in that one bad game, he was composed enough to win the game at the end with the steal, behind the back dribble and assist to break the tie.

I ambworried about his potential struggle against the badgers defense, but not the rest of the year.

Last season, he would dribble around with no purpose, stand there and wait for a teammate to take the ball from him, terribly miss a jumper, or terribly miss a layup.

This season, he looks like he knows what is going on a bit more. He still struggles shooting and finishing. And he looks a bit out of control sometimes. And this is all against bad teams. Is that better, sure. I can still name 5 players on the team with more offensive skills than him.

Outside of luck, I would be surprised if he got more than 6 points against Bucky.

[TedBaxter]

Is that better, sure. I can still name 5 players on the team with more offensive skills than him.

Name 2 better defenders on the team right now or better yet, how many rebounders from the guard spot are better than Vander?

MUMac is correct.  MU fans rip players just like other college fans do and Dominic James was always the punching bag despite being in the top 5 in scoring, top 2 in assists and according to a 1950's MU player and a friend of mine, the best on ball defender he's ever seen at MU.

[StillAWarrior]

MU fans rip players just like other college fans do and Dominic James was always the punching bag despite being in the top 5 in scoring, top 2 in assists and according to a 1950's MU player and a friend of mine, the best on ball defender he's ever seen at MU.

One of my favorite things relating to MU basketball over the last decade was to watch James absolutely lock down other teams' stud point guards.  Absolutely amazing.


Since the topic is Vander, I wanted to edit my post to add that I really like what I've seen out of Vander this year.  I didn't see last night's game, but I'm not worried about it.  I think the kid is clearly very talented, and I think in another few years we'll be happy we had the opportunity to watch him and root for him for four years.

[WellsstreetWanderer]

I'm not as knowledgeable as most here but I have been watching basketball for a long time and i liked what I saw of Vander last night. Good ,quick moves to ther basket and lock down defense. He just had a bad night putting the ball in the hoop. I have said before here: imagine if our jobs were scrutinised like these poor kids are every game. Anyone suggesting he might transfer is suspect in my book. Kid is a keeper and Buzz obviously thinks enough to start him

[MUMac]

I'm not as knowledgeable as most here but I have been watching basketball for a long time and i liked what I saw of Vander last night. Good ,quick moves to ther basket and lock down defense. He just had a bad night putting the ball in the hoop. I have said before here: imagine if our jobs were scrutinised like these poor kids are every game. Anyone suggesting he might transfer is suspect in my book. Kid is a keeper and Buzz obviously thinks enough to start him

Actually, the OP was not that he would transfer, but how we would be doing hand stands to get a transfer with stats like he has.

Outside of that, your post was spot on.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Can he make a layup?  Kinda important.

This is idiotic.

When he makes a lay-up in the next game, are you suddenly going to think he's good?

[cheebs09]

The thing that scared me and reminded me of last year he seemed to drive head down hell-bent on taking a layup. He also seemed to be rushing it a lot more than the last games. He seemed a lot more in control and relaxed prior to last night. He knows he didn't play well and I expect the team to get it back to playing at a high level. The next game, even though against Jacksonville, will say a lot about the team, Vander especially. If he comes out playing like he did the first four games, then I think he's taken a major step. It seemed last year he had a rough game and just kept trending down. Hopefully this year is different, and I'm thinking it is, because Vander playing well will turn this team from a 20th-25th ranked team to a 10th-15th ranked team I feel.

[Goose]

The kid is a player and will continue to get better every game. I said last year he was a future NBA player and feel even more positive on that today. Plenty of our best players struggled in early years at MU. Butch Lee frustrated the hell out of me for two years and for two years he best in the game. Cannot teach talent and Vander has big time talent.

[Daniel]

Love Vander and he will get better and better.  He is good for our team and has contributed immensely to our victories so far this year.

[marquette09]

Anybody remember what Wes Matthews did his first year?  Not so great.  I think he turned out OK.  Vander will be alright. 

[4everwarriors]

Anybody remember what Wes Matthews did his first year?  Not so great.  I think he turned out OK.  Vander will be alright. 

Must be a Madison Memorial thing.

[GGGG]

And this is all against bad teams. Is that better, sure. I can still name 5 players on the team with more offensive skills than him.

Outside of luck, I would be surprised if he got more than 6 points against Bucky.

You do realize that basketball is more than scoring right?

What was most impressive about Vander on Monday was that despite things not going well offensively, he kept his head in the game and made some key plays down the stretch.  Last year that wouldn't have happened.

[APieperFan3]

Cannot teach talent and Vander has big time talent.

You mean height?

[GGGG]

Must be a Madison Memorial thing.

Honestly, you might be more right than you think.  Not only did Matthews struggle, but so did Nankivil and Maymon.  Let's face it, Wisconsin high school basketball isn't exactly a murderers row that prepares kids well for high level competition.  And Memorial is in a weaker conference that doesn't have the power that the City Conference has.

Yeah, I know these kids all play AAU ball.  But high school is very important.  It shouldn't surprise anyone that he struggles.  It certainly isn't uncommon.

[Stretchdeltsig]

Why was this blog topic allowed?  Wish this blog was edited to eliminate the negative and ridiculous blog topics.

[MU B2002]

Why was this blog topic allowed?  Wish this blog was edited to eliminate the negative and ridiculous blog topics.

Actually wasn't the original topic of this post a positive? Dimes was mocking everyone that was bagging on Vander. 

[Skatastrophy]

Why was this blog topic allowed?  Wish this blog was edited to eliminate the negative and ridiculous blog topics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blog

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_forum

[godzilla]

Why was this blog topic allowed?  Wish this blog was edited to eliminate the negative and ridiculous blog topics.

Why was this topic allowed?  Are you kidding?  With what Blue did ... his assaulting the guy over being called "vander orange," he's lucky he gets any support here at all.  It's sickening that people want to root for a thug because he can play basketball.

And he still has the worst shooting form of anyone college basketball.

[ringout]

Why was this blog topic allowed?  Wish this blog was edited to eliminate the negative and ridiculous blog topics.

This was a creative way to make the point that Vander is doing just fine, Thank You Very Much.

Not sure where your coming from msbjim.

[MU B2002]

Why was this topic allowed?  Are you kidding?  With what Blue did ... his assaulting the guy over being called "vander orange," he's lucky he gets any support here at all.  It's sickening that people want to root for a thug because he can play basketball.

And he still has the worst shooting form of anyone college basketball.

Now this is a great example of a post that should be eliminated.

[GGGG]

Hey, you better be careful throwing that accusation around.  People who think they know who was involved with those accusations don't know everything.  Believe me, don't believe all you hear...

[tower912]

Godzilla,  1.  No names were ever officially known.   2.  No charges filed (MU's fault, agreed)  3.   Even if the accusers' stories are 95% accurate, I doubt charges would have been filed even if this was handled correctly by MU because 3. It is highly unlikely a there would have been a conviction with this set of facts.   4.   YOU HAD BETTER BE GD SURE BEFORE YOU GO TOSSING OUT NAMES WITHOUT PROOF.   Crap like that got pulled down nearly instantly at jsonline and they don't give a rats abe about their message boards.   Don't make the mods come after you. 

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Why was this topic allowed?  Are you kidding?  With what Blue did ... his assaulting the guy over being called "vander orange," he's lucky he gets any support here at all.  It's sickening that people want to root for a thug because he can play basketball.

And he still has the worst shooting form of anyone college basketball.

Wait, I should be critical of him because he is a bad person or because he has a bad jumper? You have both things listed here.

[Canadian Dimes]

Anybody remember what Wes Matthews did his first year?  Not so great.  I think he turned out OK.  Vander will be alright. 

Anyone remember Chris Crawford his Freshman and sophomore years?  i think he averaged about 1 pt agame as a freshman and would travel literally half the times he touched the ball.  Ended up scoring 18 a game as a Senior and led us to a conference title.

Anyone remeber Jim Mcilvaine being soundly boo'd at the Bradley Center as a freshman and Sophomore Center.  Becuase Mac turned down UCLA for Marquette and only scored 10 points a agme as a sophomore Mu fans boo'ed him.  Ended up being named NAtional Defensive Player of the year and also led MU to a conference title.

Oh by the way both made tens of millions of dollars in the NBA.   
Vander will be very good. And is good right now. 

[Skatastrophy]

Why was this topic allowed?  Are you kidding?  With what Blue did ... his assaulting the guy over being called "vander orange," he's lucky he gets any support here at all.  It's sickening that people want to root for a thug because he can play basketball.

And he still has the worst shooting form of anyone college basketball.

Hahahaha!  This is awesome

Drunk pushing some punk outside of a Jimmy Johns does not make someone a thug.  Who hasn't been in a situation or two after 1am?

His shooting form is way better this year.  Far from the worst in cbb