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radome

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/15755657/2011-12-season-preview-top-100-players-in-college-basketball

53. Darius Johnson-Odom (senior guard, Marquette). DJO! Incredibly tough player who's about as businesslike as you can find at the college level. Plays about four inches taller than he is (6-feet-2). — M.N.

99. Jae Crowder (senior forward, Marquette). One of the most difficult matchups in the Big East, Crowder can score inside and out. — J.B.

Of note: Trevor Mbakwe @ 17, and Tyshawn Tayor @ 76.

bamamarquettefan

No sooner do I vote for Crowder as team MVP then he hits another Top 100.  Congrats to both Jae and DJO.

Ox, you can be our surprise Top 100 player this year, and take most improved player in a landslide.
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BCHoopster

If there are 52 players better than DJO than I am missing something.  Malick Wyans from Villy is 12 spots better than DJO, not a chance.  I am not sure Jordan
Taylor is 50 spots better either.  Good bulletin board material.

4everwarriors

Have you watched Jordan Taylor? High first round pick, if not lottery.
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muball

THIS rating is based on potential more than present skills, how else could on the Fr be rated so high. DJO just needs to do his thing and the team being successful and things will work out. 

jsglow

I was pleased when Buzz said he was going hard in practice and one of 3 named starters.  DJO had a rough non-conference run last year.  It'll be good to see him in top form on day one.

avid1010

Quote from: radome on October 18, 2011, 04:58:27 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/15755657/2011-12-season-preview-top-100-players-in-college-basketball

53. Darius Johnson-Odom (senior guard, Marquette). DJO! Incredibly tough player who's about as businesslike as you can find at the college level. Plays about four inches taller than he is (6-feet-2). — M.N.

99. Jae Crowder (senior forward, Marquette). One of the most difficult matchups in the Big East, Crowder can score inside and out. — J.B.

Of note: Trevor Mbakwe @ 17, and Tyshawn Tayor @ 76.
Obviously I'm a homer, but I wouldn't trade Jae for Trevor nor would I trade DJO for TT...

Stronghold

Tu Holloway #4...sure didn't look that way against JFB last year.  I'm sure he will have another big year though, and I don't have anything against Xavier.

Another player I've noticed on alot of top lists is Doug McDermott from Creighton.  Anyone know anything about him?  Maybe I haven't heard of him because Creighton is relatively under the radar most of the time.

BCHoopster

Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 18, 2011, 06:36:27 PM
Have you watched Jordan Taylor? High first round pick, if not lottery.

You are absolutely dreaming if you think Jordan Taylor is a high lottery pick.  No chance for that.  If that was the case he would have came out last year.  Maybe a second round pick at
best.  To small to play the 2 guard and to slow to play the point. 

BCHoopster

I was checking to see what Draft Express thought about the 2012 draft.  DJO was 27th in the first round and Jordan Taylor was 19th in the second round, approximately
49th pick.  I am no expert but I know that JT will have some issues going to the NBA.  College player, out of sight, dynamite, which he was MU's point guard this year.

Brewtown Andy

Quote from: BCHoopster on October 18, 2011, 10:14:47 PM
You are absolutely dreaming if you think Jordan Taylor is a high lottery pick.  No chance for that.  If that was the case he would have came out last year.  Maybe a second round pick at
best.  To small to play the 2 guard and to slow to play the point. 

This past draft isn't the best marker for "this guy should have entered," given the lockout.
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MUMac

Quote from: Brewtown Andy on October 19, 2011, 07:36:33 AM
This past draft isn't the best marker for "this guy should have entered," given the lockout.

The lockout was not the reason why he did not come out.  It could be argued that he would have gone higher coming out early last year.  With other highly rated players having decided to stay in college for one more year, he likely would have gone higher in the '11 draft.  The reason is two fold.  First, the talent pool was down in '11, moving him higher up the draft list.  Secondly, the inverse will be true in '12 as the talent pool will likely be much greater, pushing him further down the draft list.

NavinRJohnson

Quote from: BCHoopster on October 18, 2011, 10:14:47 PM
You are absolutely dreaming if you think Jordan Taylor is a high lottery pick.  No chance for that.  If that was the case he would have came out last year.  Maybe a second round pick at
best.  To small to play the 2 guard and to slow to play the point. 

Correct. Great college player, but simply doesn't have the right combination of size, quickness, athletic ability or explosiveness to be an early draft pick.

Hards Alumni

As good as Jordan Taylor and DJO are, they both do not project well to the pro game because they are VERY small SGs.

96warrior

Quote from: Stronghold on October 18, 2011, 07:21:05 PM
Tu Holloway #4...sure didn't look that way against JFB last year.  I'm sure he will have another big year though, and I don't have anything against Xavier.

That game spoke more about JFB than it did about Tu Holloway. Tu was regarded as one of the top guards in CBB and was completely shut down by JFB.

Buzz has built a reputation for developing not only his players' basketball skills but also (even more so) their characters. People looked at JFB and Zar on paper and thought no way, and they were first round picks. DJO might surprise people in the same way come draft time.

Skatastrophy

Quote from: Hards_Alumni on October 19, 2011, 08:25:53 AM
As good as Jordan Taylor and DJO are, they both do not project well to the pro game because they are VERY small SGs.

+1

Unless DJO displays PG skills this year he may end up with a career like McNeal's. 

MU82

Regarding Taylor, never forget that even some of the great college players are not especially good pros. I remember arguing with many Illini backers who thought Dee Brown was going to be an NBA star.
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leever

Quote from: Skatastrophy on October 19, 2011, 09:08:44 AM
+1

Unless DJO displays PG skills this year he may end up with a career like McNeal's. 

Without the smokin' issue, hopefully.

MUMac

Quote from: MU82 on October 19, 2011, 09:10:44 AM
Regarding Taylor, never forget that even some of the great college players are not especially good pros. I remember arguing with many Illini backers who thought Dee Brown was going to be an NBA star.

I always think of Butch Lee when I read a comment like this.  Yes, he did have some injuries, but I think this comment defines his game.

mileskishnish72

BC Hoops, while you were checking Draft Express, did you notice that the #11 draft prospect in the Big East is Vander?

Brewtown Andy

Quote from: mileskishnish72 on October 19, 2011, 10:57:29 AM
BC Hoops, while you were checking Draft Express, did you notice that the #11 draft prospect in the Big East is Vander?

No comprende.
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BCHoopster

Quote from: mileskishnish72 on October 19, 2011, 10:57:29 AM
BC Hoops, while you were checking Draft Express, did you notice that the #11 draft prospect in the Big East is Vander?

Last year at this time Vander was being drafted in 2012, at least that has changed.

GGGG

Jordan Taylor is a hell of a PG who is going to have a big year this year.  Jordan Taylor is not a high level NBA prospect, but might be able to play his way into a mid-first round pick with a good senior year.

MUMac

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on October 20, 2011, 08:32:30 AM
Jordan Taylor is a hell of a PG who is going to have a big year this year.  Jordan Taylor is not a high level NBA prospect, but might be able to play his way into a mid-first round pick with a good senior year.

+1

I have always liked Taylor's game.  He had a rough go at the end of last year, shooting.  But he has other intangibles.  I would be ecstatic with Taylor at MU.  He had an interest, too bad TC did not have one back.

tower912

Yeah, other than the uniform he wears, it is difficult to find anything bad to say about Jordan Taylor.   Sure there is some question about whether or not he is quick enough to play point in the NBA, but I see him in the Chauncey Billups mode.   It will be interesting to see what his numbers look like when defenses to a  "Jordan Rules" thing on him and do everything imaginable to get the ball out of his hands and make anyone else on that team make shots.   
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