BE Targetting Central Florida and SMU

[bamamarquettefan]

I think Louisville and Cincy will get an invite, but I am not sure they will accept it.

I agree that we should not act purely on an assumption that Lville and Cincy are gone.   The B12 looked dead a few weeks ago, then they came back to life with the Pac12 staying pat everyone giving up their TV rights, then they looked shaken again when Mizzou held the press conference saying they hadn't given up their rights and now all but broadcasting a move to the SEC.  Is Texas really "all in" now despite all the talk of independence or going to the ACC for all but football?  I don't believe the B12 is a cozy landing place right now, and don't think we should be asking why TCU decided to stay, or why Lville and Cincy would.

Sultan and others make good arguments for basketball-only, but I am still on the side of you don't walk away from a BCS-affiliation. It obviously may happen, but you don't give it up without a fight.  To that end:

1. I like any of the service academies,
2. You hold Syracuse and Pitt to 2 more years,
3. Temple seems like a no-brainer,
4. I like the logistics of being able to do a UCF-USF trip and a SMU-TCU trip, just like when teams come up and hit DePaul and Marquette without going home in between.  Letting kids in all sports (and Buzz) make a Texas and a Florida trip and getting just a slice of those two markets is worth extending for in my mind.  Shoot, the SEC really was set at 12 teams but just couldn't turn down a chance at Texas, and the same should be true of the Big East at a smaller scale.

However, there is a very good point that the basketball-only schools need some kind of protection if the ratio goes to 2-to-1 football, and admittedly I don't know how you do that.

[Mr. Nielsen]

SMU, UCF and Navy will be selling alot of tickets at the Bradley Center.   

[Aughnanure]

1. I like any of the service academies,
2. You hold Syracuse and Pitt to 2 more years,
3. Temple seems like a no-brainer,
4. I like the logistics of being able to do a UCF-USF trip and a SMU-TCU trip, just like when teams come up and hit DePaul and Marquette without going home in between.  Letting kids in all sports (and Buzz) make a Texas and a Florida trip and getting just a slice of those two markets is worth extending for in my mind.  Shoot, the SEC really was set at 12 teams but just couldn't turn down a chance at Texas, and the same should be true of the Big East at a smaller scale.

However, there is a very good point that the basketball-only schools need some kind of protection if the ratio goes to 2-to-1 football, and admittedly I don't know how you do that.

Why does everyone somehow like the service acadamesi but programs such as Memphis, SMU, Houston (who have had alot more relevance) are looked down upon? I don't get it.

I am mainly scared of allowing too many football-schools in and not being able to keep the Big East name when (not if) it finally collapses.  We need to keep our voting majority as we are now the heart of the conference.

[Aughnanure]

Reality is often crazy.

I get your point, but in all seriousness Cincinnati and Louisville are NOT turning the Big XII down. Not even a chance.

[MerrittsMustache]

4) None of the above. Louisville, Cincinnati, West Virginia all bolt the Big 12. Big East loses automatic AQ, football schools either go somewhere else or stick around and put their football in another league (like Temple, UMass in A-10).

I guess I should have stated specifically that this was under the assumption that the BE is dead-set on expanding to include more decent football/bad basketball schools.

[rocky_warrior]

I get your point, but in all seriousness Cincinnati and Louisville are NOT turning the Big XII down. Not even a chance.

LOL, that's precious, coming from the guy who has continuously flown off the handle about this conference stuff.  Take the following nugget as an example...

Being from Big 12 country, I am a bit closer to this than others and I cannot see a way the Big 12 survives. No one trusts each other and no "pledge" of undying loyalty is going to make the schools suddenly trust one another.

All it would take is one Big Ten offer to Missouri and they are gone, and do the Kansas schools really feel safe enough not to take a Big East offer if it means being in a more stable conference? The fear of having nowhere to land softly is terrifying. The only way this survives is if Texas gives up the Bevo network and agrees to more equal pay, but that isnt happening.

New rumor has Texas going Indy in football and placing all its other sports in Big East or ACC - that would help secure the importance of the Bball only schools

[Aughnanure]

LOL, that's precious, coming from the guy who has continuously flown off the handle about this conference stuff.  Take the following nugget as an example...

Cute, bringing up a post from almost a month ago to prove...what? Funny that I was basically right that Texas had to give in on equal pay and Mizzou would be gone if offered (the SEC instead, but still offered)...wrong on UT giving up their network completely though, but they still make concessions.

Was there a point to you response? Yes, stuff changes in a month? I Hope you did laugh out loud.

[rocky_warrior]

Cute, bringing up a post from almost a month ago to prove...what? Funny that I was basically right that Texas had to give in on equal pay and Mizzou would be gone if offered (the SEC instead, but still offered)...wrong on UT giving up their network completely though, but they still make concessions.

Was there a point to you response? Yes, stuff changes in a month? I Hope you did laugh out loud.

My point - you focus on the day to day of this stuff too much.

A month ago you "cannot see a way the Big 12 survives".  Today "Cincinnati and Louisville are NOT turning the Big XII down". 

Perhaps, there's the possibility that they see the Big 12 as unstable as you did a month ago, so would turn it down. 

[bamamarquettefan]

"cannot see how the Big 12 survives" was a pretty absolute statement, so to come back with "stuff changes in a month" just makes Rocky's point that everything could change in the next month and the BEAST could look much better again.

Come on, just admit Rocky has you nailed on that one.  I say plenty of things that turn out to be wrong - but when it happens I try to admit it and laugh at myself and move on.

The point is a serious one though - the BEAST fate does not look good at the moment, but who knows what happens next.  Networks are throwing around billions of dollars in commitments for the next decade, and one of them may decide they really want the BEAST to stay together and make it worth it to stay/join.

[Aughnanure]

Duly noted, because I am very into this subject and am worried for multiple reasons. I guess the difference in this situation now is that the Big 12 has a team like Texas, and the money going into the Big 12 dwarfs the Big East into embarrassment, so a decision based on guessing that Big East will be around still vs at getting a much larger paycheck, though it may only be temporary, would be a terrible decision to make for shaky schools such as Louisville and Cincy.

But yes, you both are right. I just find the speculation surrounding this whole thing amazing, and fun to follow, so I do get too caught up with the day to day. I just took offense with "flying off the handle" as though I have said absolutely  outrageous things about all this.

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

MU needs to stay close to Georgetown. Their alums are all over DC in both parties.  If a scenario plays out where GT is going to get screwed, watch how fast talk of the Feds intervening somehow starts up. And it will be a bipartisan effort! lol

[Zephyr820]

Floating around twitter that TCU, WVU, Louisville, and BYU will get big 12 invites in 7-10 days

[rocky_warrior]

I just took offense with "flying off the handle" as though I have said absolutely  outrageous things about all this.

Ah, if you've followed MUScoop as long as you've been a member, you should know it's common for all of us to "fly off the handle" - no offense intended. 

[Aughnanure]

Ah, if you've followed MUScoop as long as you've been a member, you should know it's common for all of us to "fly off the handle" - no offense intended. 

This is true.

[Aughnanure]

Tulane to Big 12 now? If academics matter I guess that makes sense. One advantage is the $1 billion endowment since they can legitimately commit to improving their facilities, financial commitment to sports. Rice would be the same, but they're in Texas.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7063633/missouri-tigers-hope-join-sec-had-wanted-big-ten-invite-most

As a Big XII fan, I'd rather just have Louisville, Cincinnati, Memphis and BYU if Mizzou leaves.

[bilsu]

Tulane to Big 12 now? If academics matter I guess that makes sense. One advantage is the $1 billion endowment since they can legitimately commit to improving their facilities, financial commitment to sports. Rice would be the same, but they're in Texas.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7063633/missouri-tigers-hope-join-sec-had-wanted-big-ten-invite-most

As a Big XII fan, I'd rather just have Louisville, Cincinnati, Memphis and BYU if Mizzou leaves.

It also said Tulane made overtures to Big East, so they could end up there.

[MerrittsMustache]

It also said Tulane made overtures to Big East, so they could end up there.

Tulane, TCU, ECU...Sounds like ConfUSA is gettin' the band back together and calling it the Big East!

[Aughnanure]

Sewanee too? They had that one great year...