[Rosiak's Blog] A few more updates

[kmwtrucks]

It does not work that way.  When you sign your schloraship its good for the full year.  So even though somebody might leave midway that spot does not open until the summer. 

[Hards Alumni]

Then why not leave a scholarship open - heck, why not leave mutliple scholarships open - in perpetuity in order to keep your options open?

That avoids my point.  We already had Jake Thomas on the team without giving him a scholarship.

I don't advocate having any scholarships open if it can be helped.  I have always been against banking.  But IMO, giving a player who is already going to play for you for free a scholarship is... unnecessary.

Just my 2 cents.  Obviously, not appreciated around here... I do understand and I agree that we probably don't need 2 scholarships open for mid season transfers, BUT you might as well do it if you can... considering there is NO HARM done if you have them open.

and Brew, lots of players look great during the Pro-Am, and then look like hell during the season... I'm sure we can all think of a few examples.

[tower912]

Think of it as a gift from Buzz to JT.   Or, the inverse of your point.   Why make a kid pay when you can give him a scholarship that wasn't being used by anyone else?

[MuMark]

Think of it as a reward for the future free hard work he will give the the program the next 2 years......

That avoids my point.  We already had Jake Thomas on the team without giving him a scholarship.

I don't advocate having any scholarships open if it can be helped.  I have always been against banking.  But IMO, giving a player who is already going to play for you for free a scholarship is... unnecessary.

Just my 2 cents.  Obviously, not appreciated around here... I do understand and I agree that we probably don't need 2 scholarships open for mid season transfers, BUT you might as well do it if you can... considering there is NO HARM done if you have them open.

and Brew, lots of players look great during the Pro-Am, and then look like hell during the season... I'm sure we can all think of a few examples.

[kmwtrucks]

Also if he played really well as a 4th year Jr, I'm sure schools would offer him a spot as a 5th year guarduate player. 

I'm guessing that this shows him Buzz wants him at MU the next 3 years.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

It does not work that way.  When you sign your schloraship its good for the full year.  So even though somebody might leave midway that spot does not open until the summer. 

Ahh ha. I did not know that.

I don't really think "cutting" a kid to bring in a mid-season transfer is a good idea anyways.

I'm just trying to see how far everybody is willing to go using the "Big time college basketball" defense.

[Hards Alumni]

Think of it as a reward for the future free hard work he will give the the program the next 2 years......

Isn't getting laid enough?!?!?!

[NersEllenson]

Some of the ignorance in this thread shocking.  There isn't going to be any "mid-season transfer" that can play on this year's team - their earliest availability would be December/January of 2012/2013 - like Reggie Smith will become eligible at UNLV beginning of second semester this year.

That said, why would Buzz NOT give Jake Thomas at least 1-year "free" at Marquette this season.  Jake will be eligible to play for MU next year earlier (start of 2012) season, than any mid-season transfer this year.

At this point Buzz clearly knows that no other 2011 player (that would have been eligible to play this year) is coming available that he would have wanted/coveted...as school is now in session.) 

[GGGG]

Some of the ignorance in this thread shocking.  There isn't going to be any "mid-season transfer" that can play on this year's team - their earliest availability would be December/January of 2012/2013 - like Reggie Smith will become eligible at UNLV beginning of second semester this year.

But they would still need to have a scholarship to give him.

[Brewtown Andy]

At this point Buzz clearly knows that no other 2011 player (that would have been eligible to play this year) is coming available that he would have wanted/coveted...as school is now in session.) 

Just a coincidence that the Jake Thomas news comes after Drummond gets settled at UConn....

[Hards Alumni]

Some of the ignorance in this thread shocking.  There isn't going to be any "mid-season transfer" that can play on this year's team - their earliest availability would be December/January of 2012/2013 - like Reggie Smith will become eligible at UNLV beginning of second semester this year.

That said, why would Buzz NOT give Jake Thomas at least 1-year "free" at Marquette this season.  Jake will be eligible to play for MU next year earlier (start of 2012) season, than any mid-season transfer this year.

At this point Buzz clearly knows that no other 2011 player (that would have been eligible to play this year) is coming available that he would have wanted/coveted...as school is now in session.) 

QFT

[Jay Bee]

like Reggie Smith will become eligible at UNLV beginning of second semester this year.

Vicious lie!  Reggie should be good to go upon the conclusion of the fall semester.  Some mid-year transfers wind up missing just a third or so of their new school's games the following season.

[NersEllenson]

Vicious lie!  Reggie should be good to go upon the conclusion of the fall semester.  Some mid-year transfers wind up missing just a third or so of their new school's games the following season.

My bad Jay Bee - though I did mention mid season transfers can be eligible in December/January of the next year...but in Reggie's case wrote beginning of second semester..which is wrong.

[GGGG]

That avoids my point.  We already had Jake Thomas on the team without giving him a scholarship.

I don't advocate having any scholarships open if it can be helped.  I have always been against banking.  But IMO, giving a player who is already going to play for you for free a scholarship is... unnecessary.

The way I view it, to leave a scholarship unused, when you have a player who does everything in practice and in the classroom you ask of him and is considered a valuable member of the team, is pretty silly.  This way, Buzz can show Thomas some appreciation for his hard work, and still have a scholie available for a potential transfer.  (Which I doubt will happen, but you never know.)

[Hards Alumni]

The way I view it, to leave a scholarship unused, when you have a player who does everything in practice and in the classroom you ask of him and is considered a valuable member of the team, is pretty silly.  This way, Buzz can show Thomas some appreciation for his hard work, and still have a scholie available for a potential transfer.  (Which I doubt will happen, but you never know.)

That is like me giving you a bagel for free and then you giving me $5 for the bagel because I'm such a nice guy.

Mmmmm... Bagels....

[bilsu]

It is not hard to imagine that Buzz promised Thomas's family that he would get an open scholarship. No gaurantee of one, but if available he would get it as long as Jake worked hard and did not screw up. I suspect it was the same arangement with Singleton.

[Hards Alumni]

It is not hard to imagine that Buzz promised Thomas's family that he would get an open scholarship. No gaurantee of one, but if available he would get it as long as Jake worked hard and did not screw up. I suspect it was the same arangement with Singleton.

I also thought about this scenario, and if this is the case then I am fine with it.

[Golden Avalanche]

It is not hard to imagine that Buzz promised Thomas's family that he would get an open scholarship. No gaurantee of one, but if available he would get it as long as Jake worked hard and did not screw up. I suspect it was the same arangement with Singleton.

Which worked out stupendously.

[ATL MU Warrior]

That avoids my point.  We already had Jake Thomas on the team without giving him a scholarship.

I don't advocate having any scholarships open if it can be helped.  I have always been against banking.  But IMO, giving a player who is already going to play for you for free a scholarship is... unnecessary.
Just my 2 cents.  Obviously, not appreciated around here... I do understand and I agree that we probably don't need 2 scholarships open for mid season transfers, BUT you might as well do it if you can... considering there is NO HARM done if you have them open.

and Brew, lots of players look great during the Pro-Am, and then look like hell during the season... I'm sure we can all think of a few examples.

I'm glad I don't work for you.  After all, if you already got me to work for you for $X, why would you ever give me more money?  After all, I'm already working for you....so more money is, what, unnecessary? 

[bilsu]

Which worked out stupendously.

He had his chance.

[Hards Alumni]

I'm glad I don't work for you.  After all, if you already got me to work for you for $X, why would you ever give me more money?  After all, I'm already working for you....so more money is, what, unnecessary? 

If you earned it, I would have to compensate you more because I don't want you to leave.

If Jake Thomas doesn't get the scholarship he still probably stays.

There is the hole in your analogy.

[NersEllenson]

If you earned it, I would have to compensate you more because I don't want you to leave.

If Jake Thomas doesn't get the scholarship he still probably stays.

There is the hole in your analogy.

You know for being a Ronald Reagan basher, and Scott Walker basher - you sure seem to be quite hardcore in your views on how people/"employees" are treated when it comes to them being basketball players.  Let's hope for humanity's sake, you never become an employer.

[brewcity77]

If you earned it, I would have to compensate you more because I don't want you to leave.

If Jake Thomas doesn't get the scholarship he still probably stays.

There is the hole in your analogy.

I'm trying to think of a good analogy. This scholarship is like an expiring gift certificate. Isn't it better to have Thomas use it than to have it go to waste? What statement does that make if we leave two vacant scholarships, never use either of them, and still have a guy paying his own way who's good enough to get scholarships elsewhere. He's showing a loyalty and desire to be at Marquette by choosing to walk-on here rather than taking a scholarship elsewhere. Shouldn't we return that loyalty and show a desire to have him here by letting him take a vacant scholarship?

If we only had one open scholarship, I'd understand wanting to keep it open. But we have two. We can give a scholarship to Thomas and still be able to add a potential mid-season transfer. When was the last time a team took two mid-season transfers? Maybe it's happened, but mid-season transfers are rare enough as is to see one to a team, much less two.

[Hards Alumni]

You know for being a Ronald Reagan basher, and Scott Walker basher - you sure seem to be quite hardcore in your views on how people/"employees" are treated when it comes to them being basketball players.  Let's hope for humanity's sake, you never become an employer.

I don't see how that is hardcore.

For being a Reagan/Walker lover you sure are quick to hand out 'welfare' scholarships.

You see, the shoe is on the other foot, now.

[WellsstreetWanderer]

That's suspiciously like "Compassionate Conservatism"