Steve Taylor vs JP Tokoto

[GGGG]

You can call BS on it all you want....but I stand by the statement.

[DiaperDandy]

You can call BS on it all you want....but I stand by the statement.

That's a bold statement Cotton.....Let's see if it pays off!

[ringout]

You can call BS on it all you want....but I stand by the statement.

I'm with Sultan.  ewill has not developed his game to play BE minutes.

ewill and jp have some similarity.  Both played interior when younger, and had to develop perimeter games. 

[brewcity77]

Northstar Basketball's top 150 for 2012 just came out today, they also have Taylor ahead of Tokoto, though by a much wider margin.

http://blog.northstarbball.com/2011/08/17/northstar-basketball-post-july-2012-top-150.aspx

Notables
3) Mitch McGary
16) Anthony Bennett
30) Shaquille Cleare
40) Gabe York
42) Kris Dunn
54) Steve Taylor
60) Sam Dekker
69) Ray Lee
71) Wannah Bail
97) Zena Edosomwan
99) JP Tokoto
104) Philip Nolan
127) Jamal Ferguson
130) Zach Auguste

[avid1010]

I'm with Sultan.  ewill has not developed his game to play BE minutes.

ewill and jp have some similarity.  Both played interior when younger, and had to develop perimeter games. 

Unless I'm misunderstanding Sultan he was saying E-Will was booted because of certain "circumstances" and other player with the same certain "circumstances" were not booted because they were better players than E-Will.  To that I say BS...If I misunderstood Sultan I apologize.

[GGGG]

Unless I'm misunderstanding Sultan he was saying E-Will was booted because of certain "circumstances" and other player with the same certain "circumstances" were not booted because they were better players than E-Will.  To that I say BS...If I misunderstood Sultan I apologize.

No.  You got it right.  And I still stand by the statement.  But I wouldn't say "booted" as much as I would say "highly encouraged to leave."  They put a nice shiney bow on it, but that's what it was.

[avid1010]

No.  You got it right.  And I still stand by the statement.  But I wouldn't say "booted" as much as I would say "highly encouraged to leave."  They put a nice shiney bow on it, but that's what it was.

Source?

[Hards Alumni]

Source?

You won't get a source on this.

But I can corroborate his statement.

[GGGG]

I have multiple sources including a family member connected with the athletic department - but not specifically the basketball program.  (That is why I know nothing about recruiting.)  I have mentioned this before.

Remember I knew about the Halloween sexual harrassment incidents way back in December - I knew who a couple of the players involved were even back then.  And I also was told how this went down - talked about it over a few drinks this summer on a return trip to Milwaukee.  And believe me, this kind of crap happens everywhere.  (See...UW Madison...football team...)  I mean, look at Buzz's 2nd year when we were in need of an experienced point guard....like the return of the prodigal son.

And this isn't as untoward as I am making it out.  Some decisions had already been made so there wasn't a need to support certain players.  But if there were any lingering doubts about those decisions....well...those were erased.

I hear all sorts of stuff (and I doubt I am the only one that does.)  However, I have made it a policy only to bring stuff up when it is addressed specifically by this board and only when I can verify it.  So when Skat said what he did, I addressed it.

[Lennys Tap]

Sultan, when you refer to learning about "sexual assaults" in December are you talking about the Halloween night incident which MU determined to be sexual harrassment? Not trying to be a d$ck but the two are not nearly equivalent

[GGGG]

Lennys....yes and modified.  Sorry.

[WarhawkWarrior]

Back to the subject -- These kids are so often mislead into believing they are invincible, incredible and that making it to the NBA is a given.  They are coddled and believe they can make it on any team they choose.  Its crazy not to be a "big fish in the small pond" where minutes, exposure and success at an individual level can be a whole lot more fun than being a supporter at the end of the pine.  I wish JP success but believe he really put a limit on his chance to be in the limelight.

[Skatastrophy]

You won't get a source on this.

But I can corroborate his statement.

+1  EWill and Singleton were a package in that one.

Still, the athletic department didn't have a choice in the matter.  The OSD conduct committee had already taken care of business.  There was no "suggesting they transfer" about it.

[GGGG]

But Skat, there was intervention...or maybe a better word is "support,"...on behalf of the other two.  Both of whom will be receiving significant playing time this next year.  And some of EWill's decisions had already been made by that point anyway.  So while it is literally true that the athletic department had no choice, they had an influence on the outcome.  This is why I say that the ultimate decision had to do with playing time.

And you are correct that "suggesting they transfer" isn't the best phrase.

[Skatastrophy]

But Skat, there was intervention...or maybe a better word is "support,"...on behalf of the other two.  Both of whom will be receiving significant playing time this next year.  And some of EWill's decisions had already been made by that point anyway.  So while it is literally true that the athletic department had no choice, they had an influence on the outcome.  This is why I say that the ultimate decision had to do with playing time.

And you are correct that "suggesting they transfer" isn't the best phrase.

I gotcha, that makes sense