Charles Pierce, Boston Globe writer and MU grad, on the sexual assault issues

[lab_warrior]

Dollars to doughnuts, there is an email trail between DPS and MPD acknowledging that MPD was aware of what DPS was doing, and was OK with it.  MPD and the DA told MU to be quiet about that in exchange for no charges filed.

Yeah, I'll go with doughnuts on that one. 

"Well your honor, we've got plenty of hearsay and conjecture.  Those are kinds of evidence."

[Lennys Tap]

Maybe there are ghosts in the machine?

Now that's funny.

[🏀]

MS Paint sucka.  Photoshop is too fancy.

MS Paint is for playas.

Photoshop is for pimps and hoes.

[ringout]

So you are alleging a criminal conspiracy to cover up Marquette's actions by the cops, Marquette and the DA's office? I bet the US Attorney's Office would love this--why don't you report it?

Obviously, I'm speculating.  

Don't tell me that MPD never knew what DPS was doing.  It was going on for 10 years.   MPD knew, and for budget and time reasons, never pushed it.  Each organization can be made to look bad.  That's why everybody is willing to let it go.

[ringout]

Yeah, I'll go with doughnuts on that one. 

"Well your honor, we've got plenty of hearsay and conjecture.  Those are kinds of evidence."

That is why MPD and the DA will never pursue this.

[Benny B]

There is a state statute that requires a licensed private security officer/operation to report to law enforcement when they "have reasonable grounds" to believe a crime has been or will be committed. That's the law.
However, the "reasonable grounds" phrase leaves some subjectivity in its application.

What some seem to be missing, however, is that this is a civil, not criminal, law. So, if MU were to be in violation, they wouldn't be charged. They could be sued for non-compliance, and there might be some financial punishment if a court agrees that's the case, but Father Wild isn't doing a perp walk over this.

Violation of the statute is a Class C Misdemeanor -- a criminal offense.  It is not a civil matter.

You don't have to be a natural person to be found guilty of a criminal offense.  If the security officer violated the statute, he can be charged criminally.  If Marquette violated the statute, it too can be charged criminally.  Criminal actions aren't just reserved for natural persons, although when an entity is charged criminally, you're not going to put someone in jail... but there could be fines, sanctions, etc.

If MU, MPD, and the DA are all on the same page that Marquette broke the law (as some people have claimed), yet the DA hasn't brought any charges, then the City of Milwaukee has a much bigger problem than anything that's going on at Marquette.

[Pakuni]

Violation of the statute is a Class C Misdemeanor -- a criminal offense.  It is not a civil matter.

You don't have to be a natural person to be found guilty of a criminal offense.  If the security officer violated the statute, he can be charged criminally.  If Marquette violated the statute, it too can be charged criminally.  Criminal actions aren't just reserved for natural persons, although when an entity is charged criminally, you're not going to put someone in jail... but there could be fines, sanctions, etc.

If MU, MPD, and the DA are all on the same page that Marquette broke the law (as some people have claimed), yet the DA hasn't brought any charges, then the City of Milwaukee has a much bigger problem than anything that's going on at Marquette.

Cite?

[Man Clam Chow]

Cite?

Wis. Stat. section 940.34(2)(b) provides: "Any person licensed as a private detective or granted a private security permit under s. 440.26 who has reasonable grounds to believe that a crime is being committed or has been committed shall notify promptly an appropriate law enforcement agency of the facts which form the basis for this belief."

Wis. Stat. section 940.34(1)(b) provides: "Whoever violates sub. (2)(b) is guilty of a Class C misdemeanor and is subject to discipline under s. 440.26(6)."

http://nxt.legis.state.wi.us/nxt/gateway.dll?f=templates&fn=default.htm&d=stats&jd=ch.%20940

[NickelDimer]

You're probably Chicos, too.

I lol'd

[Silkk the Shaka]

Booorrrrring

[Pakuni]

Wis. Stat. section 940.34(2)(b) provides: "Any person licensed as a private detective or granted a private security permit under s. 440.26 who has reasonable grounds to believe that a crime is being committed or has been committed shall notify promptly an appropriate law enforcement agency of the facts which form the basis for this belief."

Wis. Stat. section 940.34(1)(b) provides: "Whoever violates sub. (2)(b) is guilty of a Class C misdemeanor and is subject to discipline under s. 440.26(6)."

http://nxt.legis.state.wi.us/nxt/gateway.dll?f=templates&fn=default.htm&d=stats&jd=ch.%20940

Thanks.
I stand corrected.

[tower912]

They investigated.   In their opinion, they did not have reasonable grounds to think a crime was committed. 

[Hoopaloop]

Thank goodness for all the journalists that clearly know more about the law than the lawyers do.

Since when do all the lawyers know everything about the law?  Wouldn't we have 9-0 Supreme Court cases if that were the case.  Wouldn't we have no trials if that were the case, after all I see one lawyer arguing one thing and another lawyer on the other side arguing something else.

Shame that the Chicago Tribune, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, and the various other news outlets smeared Marquette and intentionally lied about MU admitting to breaking the law.   One would think all the lawyers here would want MU to file lawsuits against those institutions for smearing MU.  Can MU file a lawsuit against their own President, Father Wild, since his email to faculty and staff essentially said NOW we are going to start following the law. 

[Hoopaloop]

And despite so many people claiming MU was breaking the law, no one has actually found and cited this law they supposedly broke. If Marquette had broken a law, the University would be facing charges. Until either that happens or someone produces the statute they broke, all these claims from posters and uneducated journalists are baseless.

Pierce is an uneducated journalist?

1) He is a Marquette graduate, so you've just condemned MU journalism grads
2) For being uneducated, how has he been able to write over the years for the New York Times, Chicago Tribune, LA Times, Sports Illustrated, Journal Sentinel and participate on ESPN roundtables, NESN and other formats.  These do not appear to be destinations of those that are uneducated.
3) How dare he, as an alumnus of this university, weigh in on the matter and use his bullhorn to do so. 

Think about what some of you are saying.    If one dares to challenge the university, then that person shall feel the wrath for questioning the school, their decisions, and their policies.  Are you sure some of you actually attended MU because that is not how we were taught to think.

[brewcity77]

Sure was nice the past week when this topic was dead and we actually talked about basketball.

[Hards Alumni]

Pierce is an uneducated journalist?

1) He is a Marquette graduate, so you've just condemned MU journalism grads
2) For being uneducated, how has he been able to write over the years for the New York Times, Chicago Tribune, LA Times, Sports Illustrated, Journal Sentinel and participate on ESPN roundtables, NESN and other formats.  These do not appear to be destinations of those that are uneducated.
3) How dare he, as an alumnus of this university, weigh in on the matter and use his bullhorn to do so. 

Think about what some of you are saying.    If one dares to challenge the university, then that person shall feel the wrath for questioning the school, their decisions, and their policies.  Are you sure some of you actually attended MU because that is not how we were taught to think.

I was under the assumption that brew was saying that Pierce was uneducated regarding the SUBJECT matter, not uneducated overall.

[brewcity77]

I was under the assumption that brew was saying that Pierce was uneducated regarding the SUBJECT matter, not uneducated overall.

Exactly right. I graduated from the College of Communications too, but that doesn't make me enough of a legal expert that I would claim to know more about this stuff than Gato.

[Benny B]

Since when do all the lawyers know everything about the law?  Wouldn't we have 9-0 Supreme Court cases if that were the case.  Wouldn't we have no trials if that were the case, after all I see one lawyer arguing one thing and another lawyer on the other side arguing something else.

Shame that the Chicago Tribune, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, and the various other news outlets smeared Marquette and intentionally lied about MU admitting to breaking the law.   One would think all the lawyers here would want MU to file lawsuits against those institutions for smearing MU.  Can MU file a lawsuit against their own President, Father Wild, since his email to faculty and staff essentially said NOW we are going to start following the law. 

What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

[NersEllenson]

What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Par for the course with said poster.  For a minute I thought we'd all gotten lucky and said poster was banned as he'd been idle for roughly a week.  Perhaps just a 1-week ban.

Considering we had other good basketball related topics being debated last week yet the only area said poster chose to involve themself was in the one topic that he can rip MU - just awesome!

[Lennys Tap]

Pierce is an uneducated journalist?

1) He is a Marquette graduate, so you've just condemned MU journalism grads
2) For being uneducated, how has he been able to write over the years for the New York Times, Chicago Tribune, LA Times, Sports Illustrated, Journal Sentinel and participate on ESPN roundtables, NESN and other formats.  These do not appear to be destinations of those that are uneducated.
3) How dare he, as an alumnus of this university, weigh in on the matter and use his bullhorn to do so. 

Think about what some of you are saying.    If one dares to challenge the university, then that person shall feel the wrath for questioning the school, their decisions, and their policies.  Are you sure some of you actually attended MU because that is not how we were taught to think.

Thanks for the lecture Hoopaloop (or whoever you are). Just so I have this straight - if one reaches the same conclusions as you they are seekers of truth and critical thinkers, but if, after considering the facts, they disagree with you they're either phony alums or a disgrace to the university. And that's what you gleaned from your Marquette education. Think you missed something.

[ringout]

Who is Hoopaloop?......I mean who is he really?

[Skatastrophy]

Who is Hoopaloop?......I mean who is he really?

It's rocky_warrior.

[reinko]

It's rocky_warrior.

Or Rocky's crack head wife.

[leever]

Abe Froman?

[mu03eng]

Who is Hoopaloop?......I mean who is he really?

John Galt??